On 3/3/21 10:37 AM, Marc wrote:
Secondly, are we expecting IBM to "kill off" Ceph as well?
Stop spreading rumors! really! one can take it further and say kill
product
x, y, z until none exist!
This natural / logical thinking, the only one to blame here is IBM/redhat. If you have no regards for maintaining the release period as it was scheduled, and just cut it short by 7-8 years. More professional would have been to announce this for el9, and not change 8 like this.
How can you trust anything else they are now saying???? How can you know the opensource version of ceph is going to be having restricted features. With such management they will not even inform you. You will be the last to know, like all clients. I think it is a valid concern.
Speaking only for myself (but as someone who has been working on Ceph
for nearly a decade all the way back to DreamHost), I do not believe
IBM/Red Hat want to change the "upstream first" development model we
follow for Ceph. There's always been a little tension regarding how
much time engineers spend on upstream development vs supporting the
downstream products (and that existed even before Red Hat), but honestly
I'm not really worried about it. Ultimately releases flow from upstream
to downstream except in rare circumstances (ie immediate hotfixes
needed) and that model has worked well imho.
FWIW a lot of the people working on Ceph are passionate about open
source. It's baked into our culture and integral to how we run the
project. A large part of the Crimson development for instance is being
done by outside contributors from Intel, Samsung, Qihoo 360, and
others. If significant changes were forced on Ceph there would be a lot
of upset people including me. That doesn't mean it can't happen, but
part of our job is to continually showcase and advocate for why open
source is a better model not only for the world at large, but for our
customers and IBM as well. I believe companies (mostly!) do what's in
their self interest, and I fully believe that it's in IBM's self
interest right now to keep investing in Ceph (and fwiw they have been
via additional upstream hardware purchases, testing, code contributions,
product integration, etc).
Anyway, I don't know if that makes you feel any better, but imho Red Hat
and IBM have been good custodians of Ceph so far, and at least for the
immediate future I expect that to continue. Also fwiw, I still use
CentOS 8 stream for our upstream performance testing clusters and have
no plans to change any time soon.
Mark
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