Re: multiple-domain for S3 on rgws with same ceph backend on one zone

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Le mar. 23 févr. 2021, à 03 h 07, Janne Johansson <icepic.dz@xxxxxxxxx> a
écrit :

> >>> Hello,
> >>> We have functional ceph swarm with a pair of S3 rgw in front that uses
> >>> A.B.C.D domain to be accessed.
> >>>
> >>> Now a new client asks to have access using the domain : E.C.D, but to
> >>> already existing buckets.  This is not a scenario discussed in the
> docs.
> >>> Apparently, looking at the code and by trying it, rgw does not support
> >>> multiple domains for the variable rgw_dns_name.
> >>>
> >>> But reading through parts of the code, I am no dev, and my c++ is 25
> years
> >>> rusty, I get the impression that maybe we could just add a second pair
> of
> >>> rgw S3 servers that would give service to the same buckets, but using a
> >>> different domain.
> >>>
> >>> Am I wrong ?  Let's say this works, is this an unconscious behaviour
> that
> >>> the ceph team would remove down the road ?
> >>
> >> We run this, a LB sends to one pool for one DNS name and to another pool
> >> for a different DNS name, and both rgws serve the "same" buckets.
> >
> >
> > How can they serve the "same" buckets if they are in different ceph
> pools ?  Am I understanding you correctly ?   To me, same bucket means same
> objects.
>
> I mean that a user can go via either one, and it works.
> And no, it is not different ceph pools, it is the same ceph pools
> underneath, only the rgw name in the conf differs.
>
> > So if I were to deploy a new pair of RGWS with the new domain, would it
> create a bunch of new pools in ceph to store its objects or reuse the
> preexisting ones ?
>
> It reuses the old pools. The pool names are not tied to the DNS name
> the rgw is using, so it starts looking for .rgw.root and from there
> divines which zones and zonegroups exist and (in our case) that the
> pools are default.rgw.buckets.index and so on, which is true for both
> sets of rgws.
>
> Thank you, it confirms what I thought.  In my modest opinion, this multi
domain is quite important and should be better documented on the various
ways to do it using ceph.  This seems to be a distinct advantage of ceph
compared to amazon's S3.

>> Since S3 auth v4 the dns name is very much a part of the hash to make
> your
> >> access work, so whatever the client thinks is the DNS name is what it
> will
> >> use to make the hash-of-hash-of-hash* combination to auth itself.
> >>
> >> We haven't made a huge attempt to break it by doing wacky parallel
> accesses
> >> from both directions, but it seems to work to move off clients from old
> name
> >> to new name and the stragglers that will never change will get the old
> small
> >> LB pool and the clients with a decent config get better service.
> >
> > I have a need for parallel access, have you tried it ?
>
> We have not tried since we see it as either you have moved to the new
> name or you haven't.
>
> I don't expect this to be a showstopper, since having N+1 rgws in all
> other cases is equally susceptible to races regardless of the DNS name
> the client used to reach an rgw.
> After auth is done, I expect it to be quite similar if your client and
> my client ends up on different rgw daemons.
> Since using N+1 rgw daemons is used in many many installations, I
> consider that use-case tested well enough.
>
> --
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>


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