And that is why I thought to respond. I was hoping for a little more specifics about what that daemon was going to do. Thank's Gregory, I'm really excited for it!
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:05 AM Gregory Farnum <gfarnum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM David Turner <drakonstein@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:In the Firefly release of Ceph, all OSDs asked the mons every question about maps that they had. In the Jewel release, that burden was taken off of the Mons and given to the OSDs as often as possible to ask each other. This was done because the Mons were found to be a bottleneck for growing a cluster very large. I had a cluster on Firefly that the mons couldn't handle the load if the cluster grew larger than 1200 OSDs. Now in Luminous they are again removing some strain on the Mon daemons to allow clusters to continue to grow to a larger scale. Like John mentioned, this new daemon is there to remove strain on the Mons."It is not mandatory to place mgr daemons on the same nodes as mons, but it is almost always sensible."This quote from John's PR for the ceph documentation shows that this is not a change for standard Ceph usage, but for extreme clusters pushing the bounds of how large you can grow a cluster. Few times will anyone need to get that much more performance from their mons, but it is awesome that they have created this new daemon to be able to isolate these tasks when you do need it for scale.While we're mostly starting with tasks around scale, that's definitely not the only reason for the manager. There's already a prototype web dashboard that lets you see the state of things integrated into the manager; it's gathering the "perfcounters" statistics that have previously only been accessible via a daemon's admin socket; we're adding more complicated kinds of CRUSH reweighting and balancing via the manager that should help balance out cluster utilization. All these things would have been much more difficult in the monitor and will help small clusters as well. :)-Greg_______________________________________________On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29 AM John Spray <jspray@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Manuel Lausch <manuel.lausch@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> we decided to test a bit the upcoming ceph release (luminous). It seems
> that I need to install this ceph-mgr daemon as well. But I don't
> understand exactly why I need this service and what I can do with it.
>
> The ceph Cluster is working well without installing any manager daemon.
> However in the ceph status output there is a health error ("no active
> mgr")
>
> My questions:
> Can we run the cluster without this additional daemon? If yes, is it
> possible to supress this health error?
You do need the daemon -- in luminous, it is responsible for
populating parts of the health monitoring, especially the status of
PGs.
> What exactly is the purpose of this service. The documentation oncontains
> very rare information about it.
You probably already found the existing doc page for mgr:
"The Ceph Manager daemon (ceph-mgr) runs alongside monitor daemons, to
provide additional monitoring and interfaces to external monitoring
and management systems."
I've fleshed it out a little bit: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/15690
John
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> Manuel
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