Re: determining client and server on a connection

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 12:38 +0000, Sage Weil wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 12:21 +0000, Sage Weil wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > > > Hi! I'm just getting started working with ceph, and decided to tackle
> > > > > fixing up the wireshark dissector which isn't working properly when you
> > > > > use the kernel's fs client.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This page says that the server always sends its banner first:
> > > > > 
> > > > >     http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/dev/network-protocol/?highlight=protocol
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...but that's not true with the Linux kernel client. The client and
> > > > > server send their banners and addresses concurrently, and the client
> > > > > often gets there first. The wireshark dissector relies on the server
> > > > > sending its banner first however, so it quickly mixes the two up and
> > > > > things go south from there.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Given the way the protocol works, the only way I can see to reliably
> > > > > determine client and server is to read enough bytes to get to the
> > > > > client's address when the server sends it, and see whether it matches
> > > > > the receiver's address/port.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure I follow.  The client is the one initiating the connection 
> > > > and the server is the one accepting.  Does wireshark not let you tell 
> > > > that?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't think so, at least not that I can tell. I'll double-check
> > > though.
> > > 
> > > > The addrs are exchanged so that each end can learn what their 
> > > > effective address is, but this is a bit of a hack and not really 
> > > > ideal--hoping to reduce our reliance on this (or drop it entirely) 
> > > > with msgr2.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Good.
> > > 
> > > If we do need something along those lines, it would be best to make
> > > each peer send the same thing. Right now, the server sends its address
> > > and then the address of the client, but the client only sends its own
> > > address.
> > > 
> > > An impartial observer that doesn't see the socket connection has no way
> > > to know which end is going to send what. If we had the client and
> > > server both send both addresses (or neither) then that makes things
> > > _much_ simpler for the dissector.
> > 
> > Let's maybe change teh msgr2 banner to be 'ceph accept %llx %llx' and 
> > 'ceph connect %llx %llx' or similar so that we don't have this problem 
> > there?
> > 
> > sage
> > 
> 
> Yeah, that'd be fine too.
> 
> OTOH, does the connector/acceptor distinction really make any
> difference? The only time that wireshark cares is when it's dissecting
> the initial negotiation, because the inital message lengths are
> different.

Yeah, maybe not...
 
> I guess it might be nice to know just for informational purposes
> though...

That's what I'm thinking.  The client vs server behave differently, but 
you'd need to infer it from context.  This way it'd be explicit.

sage

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