on 11-18-2008 1:29 AM Rudi Ahlers spake the following: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Tru Huynh <tru-IFYaIzF+flcdnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:32:05AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: >>> This comes down't to the old question of "what is a server"? >>> >> <rant deleted, mail trimmed> >> a server just "works", and provide a usable way to debug the OS >> whenever it's needed (mostly never). >> Cheap server have at least a serial port, because that the >> minimal device to interact with the bios/OS. >> More expensive server have some out of band management >> capabilities. >> >> Most of the time, they are not used, but when we **need** them >> these "plus" save your time which is what we value most (isn't it). >> >> But your server, your problems, and your choices. >> >> Just my .2 cents >> >> Tru >> -- > > > Sure, I understand that. But then again, on my Dell servers, when I > have problems, I sit with the same issues. And those expensive > motherboards doesn't give me anything more than the cheaper ones. In > fact, when the RAM failed on the Dell's, they were unusable untill I > could get new RAM from a different supplier. With the cheaper board, I > drive down to the first PC shop and get new RAM. > > > That is one reason I stopped using Dell. The other reason had something to do with our Accounting department and Dell's insistence on using a "Dell Card" instead of a plain "net 30" account. With my HP servers, if something goes south, HP will send a tech to fix it in 4 hours. The server gets a 48 hour burn in before I even take delivery. Then I burn it in again to make sure something didn't come loose in shipment. Sure servers cost more. If it runs a critical service that can't be down for even a 5 minute reboot, you just need to spend some money. Sure things have failed, One server has had every hard drive replaced over a few years, but all under warranty, and since I have spares, there was no interruption to service. My T1 lines go down more often then the servers do. My home firewall runs on an old re-used piece of equipment. If it goes down, big deal. The kids just can't play World of Warcraft until I fix it. If the e-mail server at work goes down, I have the guy that signs my paycheck calling my cellphone at 2 AM to fix it. Reliability is not cheap. And cheap isn't usually as reliable. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!!
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