Well i finally got CentOS 4.3 booting, apache is installed, and im trying to setup some virutal hosts, i want the main site to be my default virtual host (which i had on my gentoo server) but i keep getting permission denied errors: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. and in the logs i get: (13)Permission denied: access to /favicon.ico denied (13)Permission denied: access to /favicon.ico denied (13)Permission denied: access to / denied i have even tried chmod 777 on the /home/user/public_html dir and that still didnt resovle the issue. What user do the files have to be owned by? i would assume the user, but i have also tried apache:apache and root:root, since the original htdocs dir was owned by root:root. everything ive tried just gives me the same permission denied error. here is my vhosts.conf file (i created it under conf.d) NameVirtualHost *:80 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerAdmin webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx ServerName domain.com ServerAlias www.domain.com DocumentRoot /home/nick/public_html ErrorLog /home/nick/logs/error_log CustomLog /home/nick/logs/access_log combined <Directory "/home/nick/public_html"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> </VirtualHost> It DID work with the default install, i got the default page, but for some reason when i switch to virtual hosts i started getting denied. I also have this in my httpd.conf file: <IfModule mod_userdir.c> UserDir public_html # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # <Directory /home/*/public_html> AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec <Limit GET POST OPTIONS PROPFIND> Order allow,deny Allow from all </Limit> <LimitExcept GET POST OPTIONS PROPFIND> Order deny,allow Deny from all </LimitExcept> </Directory> <Directory /home/*/public_html/cgi-bin> Options ExecCGI SetHandler cgi-script </Directory> </IfModule> any ideas? any other info you need to help me out? thanks Nick