On 2020-02-13 10:50, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 11:40, Nicolas Kovacs <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Le 11/02/2020 à 14:11, Jonathan Billings a écrit :
I've mentioned on this list countless times about how NetworkManager
is actually pretty good for a general server. Automatic link
detection and activation/deactivation, a dispatch service on link
activation/deactivation, support for bringing up secondary interfaces
after a primary goes up, a dbus interface for automation, etc.
I just prepared myself to catch up and learn more about NetworkManager. So
I
opened my big fat "Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook 5th
edition",
with a text file open on the computer to take extensive notes...
... only to find out that there is only half a page on NetworkManager in
this
book. Allow me to quote it:
"NetworkManager is primarily of use on laptops, since their network
enviromment
may change frequently. For servers and desktop systems, NetworkManager
isn't
necessary and may in fact complicate administration. In these
environments, it
should be ignored or configured out."
The book was published in 2017 which means it was written in late 2016. As
much as I love that series of books (I have read them from 1st edition), I
do not expect that its comments on parts of Linux in the 3rd edition would
be useful now.
In the end, the problem is that NetworkManager, FirewallD, and other
'automatic' helpers are 'part' of the OS.. and while it was easy to tear
them out in earlier versions.. as time goes on it is not.
I like the way you called the fact that these "automatic" things are
part of OS: the PROBLEM (in case of servers).
Every time I see these discussions on Linux lists, I tell myself how
happy I am after fleeing servers to different OS (huh, I'll break my
plea to not mention it: FreeBSD).
Valeri
For a car analogy, it was much easier to convert any 1970 car from
automatic back to manual as many parts were left over. Now in this era, you
can do so if you pick the right car but for a lot of them it is not going
to be easy in any form. I see the same trends in computer OS's with certain
tools which were easy to pull out now requiring you to build the whole os
from scratch as the part is assumed to be in so many other areas.
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Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
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