Lamar Owen wrote: [snip] > I am not a novice; I would like to think I am not ignorant. I may be guilty > of being optimistic in that I think the open source community can solve this > problem. Are you going to tell the community that this is an unsolvable > problem? No, I am not. Already, several people, myself included, have given a way for you to accomplish what you seem to want. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!