Why is yum not liked by some?

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On Friday 09 September 2005 17:03, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > Do you understand how annoyingly arrogant you sound?  I am not a child,
> > Bryan.

> You aren't a child, but you are naive. You seem intelligent, but,
> I hope you won't get offended, as I mean no offence, you are very
> ignorant. Remember, ignorance, like epoxy, can be cured. There is
> no cure for stupidity. And I don't think that you are stupid.

Well, let me just put it this way.  I maintained the PostgreSQL RPMs, doing 
releases and such, for over five years.  This is an issue I have thought long 
and hard about, since a full set of PostgreSQL RPMs is over 10MB.  There were 
many times a bugfix would come from upstream, and it would be maybe a hundred 
bytes of compiled object code, touching maybe half a dozen object files.  But 
then, due to the interdependencies, because of a HUNDRED BYTE CHANGE users 
had to pull down nearly TEN MEGABYTES of code.  That, my friend, is what is 
ludicrous.  There has got to be a better way.

The existing 'glorified wget' as you put it isn't really the greatest solution 
on earth; up2date and the RHN backend (with the XMLRPC stuff) is probably a 
better one for delivery of this kind of thing.  An RHN-workalike backend in 
the form of current is available.

But the space and bandwidth issues will only get worse; when a full update to 
KDE comes down, it may be sparked by a change of a few kilobytes up to a 
megabyte of actual binary change, but then it requires hundreds of megabytes 
downloaded (and MIRRORED!) to fix.  Or tens of bytes change in 
OpenOffice.org; now you're downloading hundreds of megabytes for a kilobyte 
binary change.  That is ridiculous.

No, I am not ignorant of the issues, and I know far better than to think the 
issues are trivial; they are not.  But they are not 'unfeasible' as Bryan put 
it, and just saying 'that's ludicrous, don't even bother!' is even more 
ridiculous.

I am not a novice; I would like to think I am not ignorant.  I may be guilty 
of being optimistic in that I think the open source community can solve this 
problem.  Are you going to tell the community that this is an unsolvable 
problem?
-- 
Lamar Owen
Director of Information Technology
Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute
1 PARI Drive
Rosman, NC  28772
(828)862-5554
www.pari.edu

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