On Thu, October 22, 2015 3:45 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 10/22/2015 03:40 PM, Juan Bernhard wrote:
>>
>> El 22/10/2015 a las 03:00 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió:
>>>
>>> On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribió:
>>>>>> Kai,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a reality, but when you look at the RHEL target audience, it's
>>>>>> not exactly hip devs deploying Docker in the cloud.
>>>>>> Big corps, banks and the like have a very slow development cycle and
>>>>>> long term support is absolutely crucial, software needs to run for
>>>>>> years on end without glitches, without interruptions, in a very
>>>>>> predictable manner etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the aforementioned devs I think the best answer are the software
>>>>>> collections, that or just use a different distribution. It is what
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucian
>>>>>
>>>>> Lucian, they also include the newer versions. The case of banks, who
>>>>> need specially PHP version 5.3, are a slim 0.01% of php users, the
>>>>> rest
>>>>> of the mortals, like me, who needs a simple webmail like horde
>>>>> running,
>>>>> have problems because the rest of the world is not developing any
>>>>> more
>>>>> with php 5.3 compatibility in mind
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos, Juan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct .. but that is not who RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu (LTS), or SLES
>>>> type
>>>> distros are for. That is what Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Linux
>>>> Mint and any other number of "Bleeding Edge" distros are for. If you
>>>> want latest and greatest .. well, then use latest and greatest. If
>>>> you
>>>> want enterprise, then use CentOS.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And incidentally these 0.01% (even if the number is true) of Enterprise
>>> users pay virtually 100% of RH income (the last is what the brilliant
>>> job
>>> of individuals at RH is paid for from). Let's not forget they as well
>>> as
>>> us have families to support.
>>>
>>> Valeri
>>
>> Im not saying that they must remove this package, but they also should
>> include the newer version. I use freebsd (and its not a toy distro like
>> fedora), and you have several ports, php, php54, php55 and php56 to
>> choose whatever you need.
>> Please, dont think that I dont appreciate the RH job on this, some one
>> should support a long term version, some applications needs this, but
>> very few.
>> Thats all. I needed to say this, this is the only thing that bother me
>> of centos, and its a little thing. The solution is to add another repo,
>> but is a petty that they dont include the newer version on the default
>> one. Centos its a great distro, dont take this a complain... its just a
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Saludos, Juan
>
> Like I said before .. software collections:
>
> http://bit.ly/1GXl0L0
>
I would add to software collections you mention and different Linux
distributions (differing in update/upgrade lifecycle scheme) also other
*nix-es, FreeBSD was one someone mentioned already (I too "half-moved"
servers to it), but there are many other choices of systems. Still,
disregarding the part some of us dislike personally (plus often reboots
necessary to install some vital updates - which all Linuxes are prone to
beginning somewhere around 2.6 kernel) I would say I really admire the
great job RH folks are doing - and definitely tremendous job CentOS
maintainers do!
Just my 0.02
Valeri
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Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
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