Every list goes through this sort of thrashing: 1. There are some users who are too self-important to remember back when they were once n00bs. From what I've heard, these are the bulk of users on the Debian lists <grin>. 2. There are others who can provide the simple answer AND a gentle reminder where the n00b might find the answer him/herself. What's the old saying: "You ctch more flies with honey than with vinegar." 3. Then there is the group (actually, subcategory of 1) who never has any time and can't be bothered to read anything other than super-intellectual stuff and who fills the replies with "your're wasting our time." The most successful lists have a lot of users in category 2. Enjoy, -- Collins When I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world.... The Berlin Wall has fallen. - Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt