Thanks Marc, you said it much better than I did earlier. Vaneet,
apologies for my earlier response. I went through the entire thread
again and I did step out of line.
For the rest of the community, I just completed my first CentOS
production installation a few hours ago (spent the entire morning in
the server room). I must admit that I'm delighted! I'm a big RHEL & FC
fan, but today I added CentOS to that list.
Thanks to everyone involved for the great work, and to all the
newbies, the stubborn old ones will try harder to make Linux easier
for you!
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:18:10 -0600, Marc Powell <marc@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: centos-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:centos-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Johnny Hughes
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:26 AM
> > To: CentOS Users
> > Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:12 -0500, William Warren wrote:
> > > I disagree with your response and many here. these kind of
> > > responses saying only ask here until you have goggle tell
> > > folks..we cannot be bothered with n00bs. This simply fosters the
> > > belief that Linux users are aloof and unhelpful. Telling
> > > somebody to google or look up the documentation is the right
> > > thing..telling somebody to not bother me(or the list) except as a
> > > last resort is the wrong thing. Just my .02.
> >
> > I think asking questions is fine ... even very easy ones.
> >
> > That is the purpose of the list.
>
> Not really. CentOS specific questions, yes, but general Linux
> administration questions or questions about how to configure
> applications bundled with CentOS like squid or apache, no. There are
> significant resources outside of this mailing list to answer those
> questions, starting with the documentation for the software in question,
> Google, mailing lists specific to the software (specifically their
> archives), news groups, books, this lists archives, etc. This list
> should be a last resort for those types of questions. Remember, CentOS
> is RedHat AS. There are going to be very few questions that are _really_
> CentOS specific or that haven't been encountered by many other people.
>
>
> > I think RTFM and the like are not very good answers.
>
> They're excellent answers, especially when combined with a pointer as to
> where to find the information they're looking for. It encourages the
> person the learn where to find the answers they need and to become self
> sufficient. If someone knows they can always send a single email to
> thousands of people to get an answer they need there's no reason to
> learn how to find the information for themselves. Mailing lists should
> always be a last resort, not the first.
>
> > There are lots of questions that I (and others) have that are easy for
> > someone ... and there are lots of questions that I see asked that are
> > easy for me.
>
> As the case may be, but in any event, this list should be the last place
> to go for answers.
>
> > This list is growing very rapidly, because CentOS is the best EL
> rebuild
> > out there. That means there will be lots more experienced users and
> > lots of new users. The list volume is going to continue to go up as
> > CentOS grows ... which is good, right?
>
> Absolutely not. The more inane chatter and basic questions there are,
> the more likely it is that the real questions will get skipped or missed
> entirely. I know that I spend about 1-2 seconds glancing at a message
> before either deleting it or queuing it for answer simply because of the
> volume of this and other lists I am on. That's barely enough time to
> register the highlights of the question, presuming that the author
> provided clear, useful information. High volume == low quality. The
> perception that high volume is good must not be encouraged as everyone
> will suffer.
>
> If I had a suggestion it would be that the CentOS guys create a Posting
> Guidelines page that included information on where to find answers in
> general as well as specific information that should be included when
> posting to the list to foster the best chances of getting an answer.
>
> --
> Marc
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