Re: OT: programming language for morons (newbie friendly language in Open Source world)

[m.roth@xxxxxxxxx]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:33 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On 12/14/2010 3:01 PM, m.roth@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >> As to Perl.. though it still is my preferred language for getting
>> >> things done (mainly because I understand it that I first think out
>> >> problems in Perl then convert to other languages), I have seen some
>> >> bad, really bad Perl code..
>> > And your point is? I consider the fact that *every* *single* *time*
>> > tomcat crashes ("you cannot have null pointer exceptions in java",
the books
>> > all said), the stack trace is 150 or 200 calls deep. Show me something
>> > written in C, or C++, or perl, or php, or... that's that bad.
>> That's not really a language problem - that's a programmer assuming that
>> exceptions won't happen and not bothering to catch them in appropriate
>> places.  But when does tomcat crash anyway?
<snip>
>> If you don't like java's verbosity, you might like groovy.  You can, for
>> example, print items from a database in about 3 lines.
>> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GROOVY/Tutorial+6+-+Groovy+SQL
>> (and from any database type that has a jdbc driver, and from any
>> platform that runs java).
>
> Yes, but reference the preceding paragraph "programmer assuming that
> exceptions won't happen".  The i-can-do-it-in-three-lines [a real
> favorite of Pythonistas] claim should always make one shiver - because
> it means the code doesn't manage errors (and is thus bad code).

Um, yeah - that's suitable for a hack, but *never* beyond that. As I said,
nothing stops bad/inexperienced programmers from writing dreadful code,
other than training and experience... including the experience of having
someone else jump on them for writing crap.

      mark

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