ok, i've figured out how to build the fonts-xorg rpm. it wasn't too bad. first you have to edit the spec file for xorg-x11 to enable with_fonts. then build it. then there are comments at the top of the fonts-xorg rpm that show how to rpm2cpio the font packages and put them back into 1 big tar file. put that in the SOURCES directory and build the fonts-xorg package. so i now have my fonts back. so, give that can this be rolled into the centosplus area? i realize that the official release 4 is being built now so time may be a bit tight. next i have to figure out why gnome apps still won't show Lucida and LucidaBright (or whatever names they should be), only LucidaTypewriter. it appears to have something to do with the fontconfig package, but i haven't figured that out yet. if anyone has clues to pass me...