greetings, please excuse my extreme lack of specific knowledge on this subject, yet what are large companies using that are not using on the M$ server side? ummmmm and specifically, what does Redhat use to accomplish these goals that you folks are talking about? i'm surprised that this specific question has not been asked before re: Redhat or other large companies that make their living via open source software or close proximity to it. regards, - rh -- Robert Hanson Abba Communications http://www.abbacomm.net