On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 11:22:58AM -0400, Alvin Starr wrote: > On 09/08/2015 10:58 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 10:50:57AM -0400, Alvin Starr wrote: > >> FIrstly Centos is primarily a RHEL clone. > >> This means that the primary design decisions are to be as RHEL like as > >> possible. > >> After that there are additions and upgrades. > >> > >> Secondly Fedora does not actively support Xen. > > Nonsense. Have you done 'yum install xen' ? > Sorry. I mis-spoke there. > I should have said RedHad does not actively support Xen. > > > >> As a long time Xen and RH/Fedora user I have spent lots of time > >> building/rebuilding broken/missing packages in Fedora. > >> Quite frankly Xen under Fedora is somewhat broken. > > It is? Please open bugs and CC me on them (ketuzsezr@xxxxxxxxxx) > > CPU features/flags are just outright is not there. > I tend to run into the problems as I am trying to use Xen for my > development environment. > I have posted fixes and bugs in the past and will in the future. Excellent! > But Xen/Centos does not have a big dedicated development or a small one > for that matter. > So Xen development will lag a bit. > This is not a criticism but just a fact of life. Please open bugs for these issues. The CPU features/flags is an important feature that needs to be properly addressed in libxl toolstack. Right now it is a bit of a trainwreck. > > > > > >> Libvirt support for KVM is very good because RH pays people to support KVM. > >> Xen under the old config format has reasonable support(possibly 60% of > >> features) but under libxl the support is much worse (possibly 30% of > >> features). > > Please file bugs so we can figure out which ones are missing. > When I fight my way through my current provisioning environment I will > be likely posting more bugs. Fantastic! > I have to admit that I am not the best contributor because often I just > fix the bugs. I would say that is the best contributor! > Partly because being outside the community learning all the nuances of > posting fixes is way more effort than just fixing them. Oh, .. I must be missing something here. Posting fixes seems like an excellent way of removing the issues you had found by them not reappearing in the future? > > > > >> Thirdly RedHat has been active at times to remove Xen support in favour > >> of KVM(Their own virtualization technology). > > Not sure I follow as Fedora does not make this distinction. > As of the last time I checked you could not build a RedHat 7 kernel with > Xen enabled. Odd. I thought you could. The only one missing was the PV framebuffer + intial domain support but the rest were enabled. And that initial domain support was due to them mucking with Kconfig to outright disable it. > The point to be made is that Fedora is not RHEL and Centos is more like > RHEL. > > So comparing Centos to Fedora is like complaining that RHEL should > support all the current Fedora packages/features. > There is a relationship between all of them but they are not the same. Right. > > > > > >> Xen has been driven to some extents by the needs of Citrix and although > >> they have helped others build packages for Fedora and libvirt its a good > >> will effort and its hard to expect Citrix to spend effort on work that > >> may not be in their best corporate interests. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 09/08/2015 09:02 AM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > >>> > >>>> not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of > >>>> different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. > >>>> > >>> what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from > >>> what you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work > >>> of fedora guys instead of reinventing the wheel ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> CentOS-virt mailing list > >>> CentOS-virt@xxxxxxxxxx > >>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt > >> > >> -- > >> Alvin Starr || voice: (905)513-7688 > >> Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 > >> alvin@xxxxxxxxxx || > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CentOS-virt mailing list > >> CentOS-virt@xxxxxxxxxx > >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS-virt mailing list > > CentOS-virt@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt > > > -- > Alvin Starr || voice: (905)513-7688 > Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 > alvin@xxxxxxxxxx || > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-virt mailing list > CentOS-virt@xxxxxxxxxx > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt _______________________________________________ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@xxxxxxxxxx https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
