LF - SCOPE Meeting ...

[cherry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (John Cherry)]

On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 23:06 +0300, timo.jokiaho@xxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> Thanks Glenn, I know that you are the one I can always trust on !
> 
> Now, what do you think would be the process to formally establish the
> LF-CGL (if that is the name), including electing the leadership ?
> Without these, we can just have SCOPE meeting and declare victory
> (whatever that would be).

Hi Timo,

Since I will be acting as the LF liaison, I'll take a quick run at your
questions.  The leadership from the CGL 4.0 team will largely be the
same players with CGL 5.0.  It is likely that our roles may shift a bit,
but I hope to have the leadership team identified and publicized this
week.  Then we will move ahead on a re-chartered CGL that includes a
pretty well defined CGL/SCOPE relationship.

We have not formally articulated a process yet for assimilating the
content of the SCOPE gaps document into the CGL requirements, but it is
clear that some kind of filter will need to be applied as we articulate
the gaps as requirements.  I have not seen the gaps document yet, but if
there are broad gaps around interoperability, availability, etc., these
will be need to be distilled into something that can be verified
(testable assertions).  For instance, 5 nines or 6 nines availability
would possibly need use case descriptions and measurement criteria.  It
may break down to something like failover times under defined loads or
TCP reconnection times with controlled connection failures.

I suspect that most of our first meeting...and hopefully we can get this
moving before then...will be to make these "gaps to requirements"
definitions.  Part of the exercise will to be determine priority of the
requirements and this will be derived from criteria such as the
criticality of the capability in a use case and the availability of an
implementation (like a PoC) that would address the capability.

While the SCOPE gaps are one source of 5.0 requirements, we still may
get other specific requirements from the carriers directly.

Outside of requirement collection, the CGL 5.0 effort will include the
splitting of the current 4.0 requirements (along with the new 5.0
requirements) into an "already in a mainline" document and a "CGL gaps"
document.  The "already in a mainline" document would be a candidate
list for LSB, while the "CGL gaps" document would be used to engage the
appropriate communities in addressing the gaps.  It is not clear at this
point what 5.0 registration would be (if anything).

Sounds like you had a successful set of SCOPE meetings last week.  At
least you came to the conclusion that CGL and SCOPE needed to meet! :)
We actually have a number of members that ride both sides of the CGL and
SCOPE fence, so I don't foresee huge problems getting this off the
ground.  For SCOPE, the first thing that the CGL workgroup will need is
a draft of the SCOPE CGOS gaps document for evaluation.  I understand
that this document may be a work in progress right now, but the CGL
workgroup will be able to consume them as soon as they are ready for
public consumption.

John

> 
> Thougths anybody ... LF in particular ? Jim / Dan ?
> 
> Ciao
> 
>   TimoJ
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Seiler, Glenn
> Sent: 17-09-2007 19:56:02
> To: ext Seiler, Glenn;Jokiaho Timo (NSN -
> FI/Espoo);lf_carrier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Chris.wardale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;Gabriella.Poczo@xxxxxxx;Hjorth Klaus
> (NSN - DE/Germany - MiniMD)
> Subject: RE: LF - SCOPE Meeting ...
> 
> 
> Timo; team;
>  I will definitely be at the Tokyo meeting. I'm sorry I was not able
> to
> attend Berlin, I know it would have been helpful. Unfortunately my
> other
> job got in the way.
> I've cleared my calendar. I'll be sure to do what I can to help
> organize
> and drive this with the LF-CGL team so we can ensure a productive
> meeting.
> 
> regards,
> -glenn
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: RE: LF - SCOPE Meeting ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ibrahim my man !
> 
> I thought there was and that was the whole idea. Since I do not know
> if
> LF-CGL will ever exist, it is hard to say. Maybe LF could comment on
> these things, maybe ...
> 
>   TimoJ
> 
> ---
> Timo Jokiaho, +358 50 5002802, Mobile e-mail Nokia E61i Intellisync
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Haddad Ibrahim-WPFT64
> Sent: 17-09-2007 15:18:35
> To: ext Haddad Ibrahim-WPFT64;Jokiaho Timo (NSN -
> FI/Espoo);lf_carrier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Chris.wardale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: LF - SCOPE Meeting ...
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Timo, all,
> 
> is there any f2f meeting scheduled around that time (Nov 28) too or
> people will make the trip just for the LF-CGL 3hrs or so meeting?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>        ~ ibrahim
> 
> 
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> timo.jokiaho@xxxxxxx
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> Cc: Chris.wardale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: LF - SCOPE Meeting ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We had a SCOPE Alliance meeting last week and came to a conclusion
> that
> LF-CGL and SCOPE
> need to meet. We would have several things on our agenda, one concrete
> one would be to talk
> about the upcoming SCOPE CGOS gap document to be published sometimes
> mid
> October.
> The other things to discuss would include the cooperation mode between
> these two exercises
> and division of responsibilities.
> 
> The meeting would take place on Wednesday, November 28th starting 2pm.
> The location would
> be NEC HQ in Tokyo. We will distribute more information about the
> logistics in a acoupl of weeks.
> 
> Please let me know tentatively who might be able to participate.
> 
> Cheers
> 
>   TimoJ
> 
> ---
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> Finland
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