It is not a statistical deviation when compared to the two previous elections in the same areas. The article simply wrote that off as probable fraud then too. Hardly objectivism nor computer news worthy. It also neglected to mention when quoting Dick Morris that the exit poll sampling of women was way higher than actual turn out, which is why the exit polls were abandoned as inaccurate... And Dick Morris was the first one to abandon them. Just as the exit polls were abandoned in 2000 for the same reason. Unlike phone polling which can verify the demographics of where it is calling, exit polls are historically not accurate. Three elections in a row (2000, 2002, & 2004) show those counties voting in the proportions they did. Computer fraud would require that each county have a hacker, that these hackers had access to the final numbers for 3 elections in a row, and that they were able to use similar proportions each time. I know a lot of Dems that voted Republican this year, even some in Florida. They are not a statistical anomaly IMO. Nor is it computer news worthy. What would be though is to talk about how online vote registration by groups like Moveon.org caused several counties in Ohio to have more registered voters than actual people. That was verified before the election but there was nothing Ohio could do about it because of how we count votes anonymously. That kind of high tech fraud is something that needs to be addressed either by different voter verification (a utility bill can be used where I am from regardless of the date stamp) or by not being anonymous. Losing anonymity is not likely so we need to tighten down on the high-tech ways we have of verifying peoples identity before they are allowed to register to vote. The article had two overall points. 1. People can't possibly have been that Republican for 3 votes in a row 2. Windows can't possibly be seen as the correct place to put votes Both subjective. Neither computer news worthy IMO. High-tech voter registration fraud is the bigger story and was unfortunately ignored. -----Original Message----- From: Atom 'Smasher' [mailto:atom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:54 AM To: Jay D. Dyson Cc: Bugtraq Subject: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jay D. Dyson wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Atom 'Smasher' wrote: > >> Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked > > Read the whole thing and didn't see any evidence. Just wild > speculation and baseless conjecture. Hell, there were countless > counties across the nation in which more people were registered to > vote than were eligible residents, but -- for some reason -- that ain't news. > > Why was this politically-motivated nonsense approved for Bugtraq? > The Democrats lost. Get over it already. ==================== there is a statistically significant deviation that correlates to particular equipment: this *IS* a technology and security issue *NOT* a political issue (although there are certainly political implications). i've gotten quite a bit of hate mail over this, but if there were allegations that the vote was hacked in favor of kerry (hypothetically, let's say in a state where kerry's brother were governor) i'm sure there would be quite a bit of interest among those who now claim that this is irrelevant, off topic, sore losers, etc. the issue really is bigger than who won or lost... it's about how the game is played. as computer security professionals we owe it to ourselves to take this sort of allegation very seriously *regardless* of what candidate we prefer. - -- ...atom _________________________________________ PGP key - http://atom.smasher.org/pgp.txt 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808 ------------------------------------------------- "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." -- Martin Luther King, Jr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.3.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: What is this gibberish? Comment: http://atom.smasher.org/links/#digital_signatures iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJBka0QAAoJEAx/d+cTpVci67kIALzMmPEhLAxg4biiQtkX8Yx/ 0bbaPdDwGfpABQtugS1ImqaCUuTziNlOV36jxFSyrvYwuOcSWyY7vUOOFty4/1SU NcxgxHmo4I877x7c1TwtqRKjaiQ8JGO6DGoRtinxgbkavA388Tl+dUlENinWiNbL hUMEqr9NOkWiFGvLRwXaXDn1ObwIHFjVaMJqndGZMKWd10nUTMVttr0+sQfPGH6L liykIOzDMklXBk1qs6fhpjeZfYAuLmhOzGBZwCPqDlTCC4wYeDsX40wWBAREl5uE CUA6g3bzp5GtL1P5E9Km20l6sazrbOYU23yvXyDnUmQ54CC+3fNu3SkNxXmv0/U= =C16d -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
