Two more advantages to starting up in console mode then using startx to access the graphical environment. You don't have to do initial login in graphical mode and second is if graphical mode develops a problem you can still login in console and get a chance to fix the problem. Graphical user login if a problem develops, it's time to reinstall the system if the problem prevents login. -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Thu, 27 Apr 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > there are probably also several other screen reader, options for the consul/terminal. When did I have found most useful is BRLTTY. It’s probably one of the oldest of the lot and it still works. Now, as for the graphical user interface, I’ve been in the habit of actually starting up in Consol mode first and then running STARTX. It’s easy it’s simple and you don’t have to worry about a display manager. A also, you don’t have to worry about a bunch of additional apps you may never use when running the display manager. So choose whichever desktop you want, which ever apps you want, and install those by whatever method is called for in your version of Linux. > > Eric. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 27, 2023, at 07:39, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I find lightdm with lightdm-slick-greeter to be about the best display manager option. You should be able to start orca using alt+super+s from the display manager's window. > > > > > > Fenrir is probably the most comprehensive fully userspace screen reader for text mode TTYs and terminals, meaning that it doesn't live in the kernel, although Orca works pretty well in mate-terminal. Personally though, I find that desktop web browsers and email applications work much better than their terminal counterparts, including being easier to set up, easier to navigate by various elements such as headers or links, and especially for browsers, supporting many more websites in a more accessible way. Just as an example of this, I have been able to access online banking through Firefox for coming up on 20 years, but none of the terminal-based browsers have ever allowed me to log into any bank's website, and many won't even show the login page correctly, not even in 2023. > > > > ~Kyle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list