If there's a startx script on that machine that'll start up flwm for you,
have you used that and had orca come up talking yet? If you have used
that and haven't run alt-control-s that or alt-f2 orca --replace that may
be your problem. On slint at least I can after using the gui do
control-alt-f1 and then type control-c to get back to console. Debian
didn't provide for us primarily command line users.
Slint on the other hand did.
-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Okay, so a few days ago, I did a clean CLI-only install of Debian
> Bulls-eye, which I've since fully upgraded to Debian Testing. Everything
> is working well in the command-line, but I'm having issues with
> getting Orca to talk.
>
> I have no interest in running a full desktop and my goal is to, as
> needed, run a single GUI application(usually a web browser such as
> Firefox or Seamonkey) with Orca and a lightweight window manager(I've
> been using flwm).
>
> I've been using a script that was posted on the audio games forum by
> Storm Dragon, which worked flawlessly on the Knoppix install I
> replaced with Debian and via a Knoppix live DVD environment, but when
> I run the script on my Debian install, I get two problems:
>
> 1. Orca refuses to talk.
>
> 2. I lose the ability to use alt+Fx or ctrl+alt+Fx to switch to ttyx.
>
> Based on some trouble shooting advice I got from a previous thread on
> this issue, I think the issue might be with Speech Dispatcher. I've
> tested with both Firefox(latest ESR packaged from Debian) and
> Seamonkey(downloaded from the Seamonkey website and run from my home
> directory, and best I can tell, The web browser launches and closing it
> normally drops me back to the console that ran the script, Orca and
> At-spi are loading, and in fact, seem to stay in memory until I log out
> of the console that ran the script, but spd-say seems to hang whenever I
> try running it from my Debian install, though even on the Knoppix
> LiveDVD I'm using to web browse while I try to figure out what's up
> with the Debian install, spd-say doesn't actually produce sound, but
> it doesn't hang.
>
> I did try installing Pulseaudio as someone suggested as well as purging
> and reinstalling Orca and xserver-xorg and their dependencies, but that
> didn't fix things, and if installing Pulseaudio had worked, I'd be
> wondering how to cut it out as I've been getting by with just Alsa and
> libpulseaudio0 for years and don't see the point of installing a
> sizeable sound server if I don't need it.
>
> I'm not sure if its relevant to the problem, especially since it only
> shows up in the output some of the time, but here is some of what
> startx prints to stderr some of the time:
>
> TIMEOUT: something has hung. Aborting.
>
> File "/usr/bin/orca", line 285, in <module>
> sys.exit(main())
> File "/usr/bin/orca", line 282, in main
> return orca.main()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 818, in main
> init(pyatspi.Registry)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 613, in init
> loadUserSettings()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 436, in
> loadUserSettings
> speech.init()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speech.py", line 90, in init
> _initSpeechServer(moduleName,
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speech.py", line 71, in
> _initSpeechServer
> _speechserver = factory.SpeechServer.getSpeechServer(speechServerInfo)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speechdispatcherfactory.py",
> line 110, in getSpeechServer
> return SpeechServer._getSpeechServer(thisId)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speechdispatcherfactory.py",
> line 102, in _getSpeechServer
> cls(serverId)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speechdispatcherfactory.py",
> line 161, in __init__
> self._init()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/speechdispatcherfactory.py",
> line 172, in _init
> self._client = client = speechd.SSIPClient('Orca', component=self._id)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speechd/client.py", line 579, in __init__
> self._initialize_connection(user, name, component)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speechd/client.py", line 602,
> in _initialize_connection
> self._conn.send_command('SET', Scope.SELF, 'CLIENT_NAME', full_name)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speechd/client.py", line 327,
> in send_command
> code, msg, data = self._recv_response()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speechd/client.py", line 295,
> in _recv_response
> self._ssip_reply_semaphore.acquire()
> File "/usr/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 472, in acquire
> self._cond.wait(timeout)
> File "/usr/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 320, in wait
> waiter.acquire()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 680, in timeout
> debug.printStack(debug.LEVEL_SEVERE)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/debug.py", line 196, in printStack
> traceback.print_stack(None, 100, debugFile)
>
>
> And here's the script I've been using:
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/env bash
>
> if [[ $# -eq 0 ]]; then
> echo "Usage $0 \"program name\" optional arguments."
> exit 1
> fi
>
> # Get the number of the current terminal
> term=$(tty)
> term="${term##*tty}"
>
> if [[ "$term" =~ ^[1-9]+$ ]]; then
> echo
> # Uncomment to suspend Fenrir while the given application runs.
> # echo -n "setting set screen#suspendingScreen=$term" | socat -
> UNIX-CLIENT:/tmp/fenrirscreenreader-deamon.sock
> fi
>
> programName="$1"
> shift
>
> # Accessibility variables
> export ACCESSIBILITY_ENABLED=1
> export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
> export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1
> export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
> export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1
> export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3
>
> # Uncomment to use xbindkeys
> # command xbindkeys &
>
> exec flwm &
> # Try orca, but use orca -replace if it doesn't work.
> pgrep orca || command orca &
> command "$programName" $@
>
> # Uncomment to resume Fenrir after X closes.
> # echo -n "setting set screen#suspendingScreen=" | socat -
> UNIX-CLIENT:/tmp/fenrirscreenreader-deamon.sock
>
> exit 0|
>
>
> For what it's worth, I'm using espeakup as my console screen reader on
> Debian and espeak-ng as my synthesizer. On Knoppix, I'm still using
> espeak-ng, but the console screenreader is sbl on Knoppix.
>
> Hoping I can find a solution to this issue as I really don't want to
> return to using Knoppix as my daily driver as it limits me to a
> outdated, 32-bit kernel and while I haven't yet been able to test GUI
> performance because of this issue, I've already noticed huge performance
> improvements with some of the CLI tools I use, so I'm hoping that
> completing the transition will breath new life into this ancient
> desktop of mine.
>
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