Re: Konsole progress/any good alternatives?

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I went back and looked at the 2019 messages on the orca list with Joany, is it worth reaching out to her and seeing what can be done as well on the Orca side, or is it purely a Konsole not being coded right issue?

I got to the 2019 message with a Google search, by the way that pointed me to the issue and the related thread



On 10/20/22 18:25, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Howdy,

i did a little bit of debugging. I identified at least 5 bigger issues here:

1. the object:text-caret-move events goes defunct  (that's why moving around does not speak) 2. the object:text-changed:insert events are not fired (that's why input and output is not spoken) 3. the object:text-changed:delete events are not fired (that's why removing text is not spoken) 4. the boundary's of the text interface are wrong and show the whole terminal text as  a single word (thats why its hard to catch in review mode) 5. attributes like color are currently not provided by the AT implementation of Konsole

the implementation seems to be very central done here:
https://github.com/KDE/konsole/blob/master/src/widgets/TerminalDisplayAccessible.cpp

well, let me see what i can do.

cheers chrys

Am 20.10.22 um 01:39 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
I get nothing with konsole or konsole-git as far as output goes


So I'm not sure if it's something specific on your system, but I do get flooded in a console with this when runnning konsole or konsole-git


*qt.accessibility.atspi: WARNING Qt AtSpiAdaptor: Accessible invalid:  QAccessibleInterface(0x555a6caf1f90 invalid) "/org/a11y/atspi/accessible/2147483729"*


*So how did you solve it and can read it with the review keys, Crys since all I'm getting is it going directly to the top of the konsole window with the buttons and so on, an acting as if the whole output section isn't there. It doesn't matter if I install konsole or konsole-git, I'm not understanding why it works for you and not me however.*


*So is there something system specific on your end?*



On 10/19/22 15:58, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Howdy,

i do net get any in or output while typing. are you sure that your reading of entered commands is not invoked by key or word echo or similar? but playing around with review keys i was able to read the content of console.  let me take a look at that later. I m not really sure about the terminal implementation of orca. Joanie once say its a lot of black magic ^^. maybe it needs to be optimized then to match this up.

cheers chrys

Am 19.10.22 um 16:23 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
That's where I got up to with the discussion on the issue, setting the role. I'm not sure if that's done in a recent git commit with Konsole-git however, or even where I'd start looking for the right parts to even start on this one.


I'm seeing on my end, both Konsole 22.08 and Konsole-git read my entered commands, like I said but not the output. Where would I read up on what exactly the terminal role does as far as ATK and how it interacts with Orca.

Also, are the input and output areas of Konsole using different settings as far as AT/Orca goes? I'm just trying to figure out why Orca reads one, but not the other even with the incorrect role



On 10/19/22 15:09, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Howdy,

Konsole does not have a caret (its an text console what is made for interacting).

Nah issue here is some bug. I see events and text in accerciser. Maybe wrong accessibility role or something.

Cheers chrys

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Am 19.10.2022 um 16:03 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>:

Just took a look through Konsole's keyboard shortcuts. I didn't see anything listed for caret browsing, and hitting F7 on my Arch box didn't do a thing. It reads what I'm typing in however, not the output so something is being picked up by Orca






On 10/19/22 14:21, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
I think f7 toggles caret browsing and orca has caret browsing off by
default.



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On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

I've no clue where to start or the smarts to get anywhere with it at all, my knowledge of how things interact with Orca starts and ends with ..is exposed to Orca, past that I've zero clue how to get anything to speak to/with/via
Orca at all. I know what should be happening, sure, but...


On 10/19/22 13:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:Howdy,
just did a quick look into accerciser. seems that the terminal content is already exposed to AT. So there is at least something in place. maybe a
focus is missing or similar.

cheers chrys

Am 19.10.22 um 14:25 schrieb chrys:
Howdy,

well you can use any terminal emulator. gnome-terminal, mate-terminal,
lxterminal (i think those are all based on VTE)
for Konsole, the issue is tracked here.
https://phabricator.kde.org/T10099
currently without huge progress. debugging is required. maybe you wanna
step in :)?

Cheers chrys
Am 19.10.22 um 12:44 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
Just checking to see if there's been any movement on Konsole yet, or if not what a good alternative would be that works nicely with KDE? I like lxterminal, but I'm after something with more eatures and that works
nicely with Plasma

Hoping for Konsole to work with Orca since KDE 5.26.11's fixed a few nagging issues with the desktop. I've not seen a new version land in Arch's repos or Konsole at all, any repo and I'm unsure if Konsole-git has
any improvements as far as Orca goes

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