These debates can be both informative and useful for those new to linux who haven't made their choices yet. On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I think the most important things to remember here are that: > > 1. People are different and that's okay. > > 2. Blind people are just as diverse as people in general. > > At the end of the day, debating Mutt versus Thunderbird has about as > much impact as debating Coke versus Pepsi. Hardcore fans of either > aren't likely to change their mind for any reason, there's no way of > doing an objective comparison, and just as how which cola is better > comes down to the individual's tastebuds, which e-mail client is > easier to setup and use ultimately comes down to which software > idiosyncrasies the end user is more comfortable with. > > Though, for what it's worth, just as I'm not a fan of colas and much > prefer Dr. Pepper when it comes to caramel colored fizzy drinks, I'm > not a fan of e-mail clients and prefer to just use my e-mail's web > interface... and the last time I checked my e-mail on a machine other > than my personal one, doing so was as simple as launching Firefox, > typing gmail.google.com into the address bar, entering my e-mail > address and password, and then once logged in, I just used what of > NVDA's navigational hotkeys matched Orca's to check level 3 headings > for how many unread messages were in my inbox and spam, and jump to > the checkbox on the first message in the message list... Granted, that > was years ago, so its entirely possible paranoid security on Google's > part would make logging in difficult, and they might try forcing me to > use their bogged down with JavaScript standard view instead of > respecting my preference for the HTML view. > > Granted, the only time I've ever used an e-mail client was theGmail > app on android 2.2 back when I still had a working eyeball, so I > suspect I'd find both Mutt and Thunderbird perplexing if I ever gave > them a try, and the only things I know about SMTP, pop3, and imap is > the first stands for simple mail transfer protocol and they all have > something to do with the technical details of e-mail most people are > ignorant of... Though, I'd probably give Mutt or Alpine a try befor > Thunderbird or whatever Chromium's companion e-mail client is called > if only because my setup doesn't really let me run GUI applications > other than Firefox. > > And while I agree the massive overlap in key bindings makes switching > between GUI applications easy, and its great that Micro exists for > those wanting to reduce their GUI dependence without having to learn > an editor with key bindings that predate standardization, I must > confess that I'm so used to nano's key bindings that I wish I could > make Firefox switch over to nano-like bindings when I focuse a > multi-line textbox and the only modern convention I miss when typing > in nano is the ability to select text by holding shift and using > arrow/navigation keys... > > Honestly, the application I most want that doesn't seem to exist would > probably be a text-mode web browser that: > > 1. Arrow and navigation keys move around the page like in an editor. > > 2. Has Firefox-like keybindings for all the common web browser functions. > > 3. Has Orca-like keybindings for page navigation. > > 4. Has a browse/focus mode toggle equivalent to Orca+A. > > 5. Forces pages with multi-column layouts into single column for > presentation(or at least as the option to)... This is to avoid > situations where a console screen reader tries to interleave text from > a list of links in the left column with the page's main content in the > center/right column. > > 6. Supports the functional aspects of JavaScript, HTML5, etc. while > ignoring the eyecandy aspects. > > 7. Disables rich web content by default, but has a keyboard shortcut > to activate it for the current page and a menu for fine tuning which > rich content is allowed, and whether the allowance is temporary or > permanent(essentially providing No-Script-like functionality). > > 8. embeds nano(or the text-mode text editor of the user's choice) > within focused textboxes(so, if I wanted to post the contents of a > file on my hard drive via a web form, instead of opening a second tab, > navigating to the file on my system, and copy and pasting it into the > form, I could just go into thetext box, get an embedded nano window, > and use Nano's insert from another file command... and if there's > multiple files, I could just do that repeatedly... and unlike with > Firefox's address bar, I'd have tab completion for getting the path to > the file). > > 9. The ability to import bookmarks, saved passwords, etc. from a > Firefox(and other popular browsers) profile would be a nice bonus, > especially if it was done via a supplementary package that could be > removed after migrating. > > There are probably other features I'd want in my dream text-mode web > browser, but something that provides a remotely similar browsing > experience to Firefox+Orca would be amazing and would probably be > enough to make me ditch the GUI altogether... though I confess, a > simple means of launching arbitrary GUI applications in a kiosk-like > manner with Orca would be nice for those rare occasions I'm curious to > give a GUI application a try... sadly, maintaining a full desktop is > over kill with how much I live in the GUI, and the script I use to > launch Firefox with Orca suffers from crippling overspecialization and > its someone else's work that I don't begin to understand how to adapt > to applications beyond the handful it was designed for. > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list