I think the most important things to remember here are that: 1. People are different and that's okay. 2. Blind people are just as diverse as people in general. At the end of the day, debating Mutt versus Thunderbird has about as much impact as debating Coke versus Pepsi. Hardcore fans of either aren't likely to change their mind for any reason, there's no way of doing an objective comparison, and just as how which cola is better comes down to the individual's tastebuds, which e-mail client is easier to setup and use ultimately comes down to which software idiosyncrasies the end user is more comfortable with. Though, for what it's worth, just as I'm not a fan of colas and much prefer Dr. Pepper when it comes to caramel colored fizzy drinks, I'm not a fan of e-mail clients and prefer to just use my e-mail's web interface... and the last time I checked my e-mail on a machine other than my personal one, doing so was as simple as launching Firefox, typing gmail.google.com into the address bar, entering my e-mail address and password, and then once logged in, I just used what of NVDA's navigational hotkeys matched Orca's to check level 3 headings for how many unread messages were in my inbox and spam, and jump to the checkbox on the first message in the message list... Granted, that was years ago, so its entirely possible paranoid security on Google's part would make logging in difficult, and they might try forcing me to use their bogged down with JavaScript standard view instead of respecting my preference for the HTML view. Granted, the only time I've ever used an e-mail client was theGmail app on android 2.2 back when I still had a working eyeball, so I suspect I'd find both Mutt and Thunderbird perplexing if I ever gave them a try, and the only things I know about SMTP, pop3, and imap is the first stands for simple mail transfer protocol and they all have something to do with the technical details of e-mail most people are ignorant of... Though, I'd probably give Mutt or Alpine a try befor Thunderbird or whatever Chromium's companion e-mail client is called if only because my setup doesn't really let me run GUI applications other than Firefox. And while I agree the massive overlap in key bindings makes switching between GUI applications easy, and its great that Micro exists for those wanting to reduce their GUI dependence without having to learn an editor with key bindings that predate standardization, I must confess that I'm so used to nano's key bindings that I wish I could make Firefox switch over to nano-like bindings when I focuse a multi-line textbox and the only modern convention I miss when typing in nano is the ability to select text by holding shift and using arrow/navigation keys... Honestly, the application I most want that doesn't seem to exist would probably be a text-mode web browser that: 1. Arrow and navigation keys move around the page like in an editor. 2. Has Firefox-like keybindings for all the common web browser functions. 3. Has Orca-like keybindings for page navigation. 4. Has a browse/focus mode toggle equivalent to Orca+A. 5. Forces pages with multi-column layouts into single column for presentation(or at least as the option to)... This is to avoid situations where a console screen reader tries to interleave text from a list of links in the left column with the page's main content in the center/right column. 6. Supports the functional aspects of JavaScript, HTML5, etc. while ignoring the eyecandy aspects. 7. Disables rich web content by default, but has a keyboard shortcut to activate it for the current page and a menu for fine tuning which rich content is allowed, and whether the allowance is temporary or permanent(essentially providing No-Script-like functionality). 8. embeds nano(or the text-mode text editor of the user's choice) within focused textboxes(so, if I wanted to post the contents of a file on my hard drive via a web form, instead of opening a second tab, navigating to the file on my system, and copy and pasting it into the form, I could just go into thetext box, get an embedded nano window, and use Nano's insert from another file command... and if there's multiple files, I could just do that repeatedly... and unlike with Firefox's address bar, I'd have tab completion for getting the path to the file). 9. The ability to import bookmarks, saved passwords, etc. from a Firefox(and other popular browsers) profile would be a nice bonus, especially if it was done via a supplementary package that could be removed after migrating. There are probably other features I'd want in my dream text-mode web browser, but something that provides a remotely similar browsing experience to Firefox+Orca would be amazing and would probably be enough to make me ditch the GUI altogether... though I confess, a simple means of launching arbitrary GUI applications in a kiosk-like manner with Orca would be nice for those rare occasions I'm curious to give a GUI application a try... sadly, maintaining a full desktop is over kill with how much I live in the GUI, and the script I use to launch Firefox with Orca suffers from crippling overspecialization and its someone else's work that I don't begin to understand how to adapt to applications beyond the handful it was designed for. _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list