I think the point of wanting an accessible ratpoison, i3, etc. setup is that Gnome and Mate are both fairly hefty environments in terms of resource usage, and Orca, if you'll pardon the pun, is a whale of a resource user itself while these alternative window managers are designed to be as lightweight as their creators could manage. One of Linux's appeals is breathing new life into old hardware, and there are many machines that would choke on modern Windows and could handle either Gnome/Mate or Orca, but can't handle both Gnome/Mate and Orca and still have enough resources left over for running apps with acceptable performance. And since the only real alternative to Orca is ditch the GUI and do everything in the console, the focus for putting an accessible desktop on old machines tends to be onstripping out unused parts of the desktop environment and switching the vital components to lighter weight alternatives. Also, as its name suggests, ratpoison is built from the ground up with a keyboard-only, no mouse setup in mind, and blind users tend to fall into the category of users who don't like using a mouse. Anyways, I myself am using the fast, light window manager(flwm)... but I can't really speak to its accessibility since my setup doesn't include anything remotely resembling a full desktop. Firefox is the only graphical application I use and I launch it via a script I did not write and understand next to nothing of how it works that basically gives me Firefox+orca running as a kiosk on top of flwm(though, while a true kiosk would prevent closing Firefox, on my setup, closing firefox ends the xsession and drops back to the console. The script uses compiz as its default Window manager, but changing which window manager it uses is the one thing I've figured out, and flwm was just the smallest window manager I tried that worked as a drop in replacement... and even then, Firefox+Orca are such a Behemoth and Leviathan combo that some websites(or having many tabs open) slow my 4GB Ram, i7 20-something-hundred machine to a crawl(My system drive being platter based probably doesn't help matters either). _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list