While I too am in the "I'd rather install it myself than work with someone else's idea of how a Linux system should be setup" camp, all else equal, I'd rather buy a computer where I'll be nuking a pre-installed Linux to one where I'll be nuking a pre-installed Windows. That said, the last time I bought a laptop was like six or seven years ago, and I just bought one off the shelf from my local OfficeMax. Never tried using Wi-Fi on it, needed to use an external optical drive, and lost at least one SD card to it having the kind of slot where the card sticks out a bit. Also couldn't get the monitor to stay off and the keyboard had this annoying setup where the navigation keys were comprised of six half-sized buttons that fit into a 3*1 block in the lower corner of the keyboard, which is practically unusable with my big, sausage-link fingers... I much prefer the way the netbook I had before this laptop and my current keyboard's way of doing things, with a shortened spacebar, half-width right shift, full-sized arrow keysnestled between right shift and right ctrl/alt, and Fn turning the arrows into home, end, page up, and page down. Though, I'd probably just invest in a Raspberry Pi 4 8GB and a newer battery pack if I had need of a new, portable computing setup. as I replaced the laptop from Office Max with a Pi 3 non-plus. Much lighter(no deadweight screen) and less bulky(a Pi, battery pack, AC adaptor, cell phone, portable media player, and several odds and ends fit in a fanny packwith room to spare) and I just use the same keyboard with both the Pi and my desktop... granted, I don't see myself ever giving up having a Desktop for my main computing machine and I'd sooner use a laptop as a stationary workstation. _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list