Calm down. Have I ever said that Orca is a "stinking pile of poo-poo?" No. It's a nice screen reader. I just can't trust it on the web because of the afford-mentioned quick navigation keys and focus/browse mode being two separate things. Also my goodness how long did you try out NVDA's object navigation: a minute? Did you read the documentation? Lastly, yes, JAWS' idea of a literal virtual buffer is stupid. NVDA handles it far better. Devin Prater r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:17 AM Linux for blind general discussion < blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > OK this is just one example you cite, but what the hell is object > navigation? What the hell is an object? I had to try that once and was > nothing but confused by it. Flat review works, and although it's not > perfect, it does work well enough for me to know what is in a window > that is not being read out loud right away, and I can either click a > control with mouse emulation or even route the real mouse pointer to it > and click it, again with mouse emulation, or God forbid, a real mouse, > or even a trackball if I so desire. Now that's good stuff right there. > No, it's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good for what it does, and > it's certainly not some confusing as hell object shit. Does this NVDA > even know what a flat review is or how to allow you to navigate a window > other than by some black magic that is objects? > > > And if they decide they want to take the whole source of the page out of > my browser and stick it into some concept of a virtual screen reader > buffer, then I'm certainly done with it before it ever gets started. The > virtual buffer was an ugly and frankly shitty hack that never should > have been introduced into a screen reader, but every screen reader over > there implemented it because this jaws cream of the crap you speak of > did it first, so naturally everybody had to do it. Again, Orca's browser > implementation is certainly not perfect, and if you think you can > improve upon it or even reinvent it in such a way that it actually works > better, then you're certainly welcome to try. Just stop trashing Orca in > the process. It's not perfect, but it's certainly not a stinking pile of > poo-poo either. Now that Jaws over there, yeah, that one's a damn > stinking pile of poo-poo, and I really wish people would get it out of > their heads to say that they do so much right when all they do has been > wrong from day one. Table with 3 columns and 37 rows has shown up in > emails people have copied to me more times than I can cound, and you can > quite easily guess what they used to copy the text. Frankly, it's beyond > disgusting. > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list