For what it's worth, I agree that it's disgusting how many websites use JavaScript and other rich web content for things that could be done with basic HTML... and wish I knew a good way to selectively block problematic JavaScript while allowing just the JavaScript that is vital for some websites to function. Pre-Quantum versions of NoScript worked great for this, but that became pretty much unuseable with the Quantum overhaul and I've yet to find a decent replacement. I also think Orca's preferences are downright labyrinthine, making toggling settings that aren't set to a keyboard shortcut impractical despite cases where it would be useful to do so. That said, on the dream interface front, my biggest want is a text-mode web browser that I find half as usable as Firefox with Orca... My main reason being that Firefox and Orca are by far the largest apps I use on a daily basis, and if I could find a satisfactory text-only browsing experience, I could ditch the GUI altogether. At a bare minimum, it would need to feature: Full support for modern web technologies(As much as I hate JavaScript and it's ilk, there are just too many websites that abuse them to avoid them entirely). Built-in navigational Hotkeys similar to those provided by Orca, NVDA, and JAWS. Firefox-like Keybindings, or at least keybindings that aren't completely alien to someone used to Graphical browsers. A page renderer the forces multi-column pages into a single column so screen readers aren't trying to read text from multiple columns. Arrow keys move around the page like in most text editors. focused objects stretch to the width of the screen. Tabbed browsing. And things that would be nice to have: JavaScript and Cookies blocked by default, but with keyboard shortcuts to allow them on the current page, reloading the page as needed and a permissions menu that provides more nuanced control of these or to permanently white list certain domains. Also, auto whitelisting of cookies created when submitting a log-in page would be nice(actually, it would be ideal if only cookies needed to maintain log-ins where accepted and all others were blocked by default). pressing enter simulates a left mouse click on the character under the reading cursor if enter would normally do nothing. For websites with JavaScript clickables or places that appear as plain-text that are meant to be clicked. If anyone knows of any text-mode browsers with any of these features, I'd love to hear about them, but from what I've tried, most text-mode browsers do one or more of the following: preserve multi-column layouts, which leads to stuff from different columns getting read together(e.g. pages with a list of links in the left margin and the main content in the middle end up with each line consisting of a link from the left column and a line of text from the middle column. mixing content that one doesn't want mixed and often making the body text more choppy due to some of each line going to text that should be off screen). Have incomplete or non-existant support for rich web content, meaning many websites simply don't work. Have keybindings that make no sense to someone who was introduced to the Internet via graphical browsers(though I imagine many people who have been using text mode browsers since the dos days and are only trying graphical browsers due to how the web is growing ever more hostile towards text-only browsers are probably just as lost attempting the migration in the other direction). Up and down arrows acting the way I expected from shift+tab and tab was surpremely disorienting the first time I tried a text-mode browser, not to mention that it leaves me dependant on screen review to read what's between tabbable elements. And quite frankly, the navigational hotkeys provide by Orca, NVDA, and JAWS are so darn useful, I wonder how I got by without them back when I could see. Sure, a scroll wheel or swiping on a touchscreen is a powerful tool for jumping over large sections of a web page when you can see well enough to do so, as is simply tapping/clicking on the elements you want to put focus on, but it still sounds slow compared to keeping one's fingers on the keyboard and instantly jumping between headings or between form elements of a specific type... and why screen readers have to provide this functionality instead of it being a standard feature in all browsers, graphical and text-based, baffles me... If my vision was miraculously restored tomorrow, it would be tempting to keep Orca around just for the navigational hotkeys if I couldn't find a Firefox extension to do the same. _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list