Okay, that makes sense. I had looked at two guides: one for the Debian gnome media, which I actually did download and burn and worked just as you describe with super-alt-s or, on a Mac keyboard, command-alt-s. The other guide was the one for ubuntu with the f5 instructions; I wondered if there might be a newer one but that one was the first one that came up in google. Actually, Hank was doing it correctly on the ubuntu one which made me think that either (1) there was confusion as to whether the ubuntu or debian was being used (not really likely) or (2) I had found an out-of-date guide. Thanks for checking this. Perhaps it is maintained correctly in ubuntu's documentation but the old information is still also up there. > On Sep 13, 2015, at 3:53 AM, Tony Baechler <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Ah, taking a quick look, I see the problem. The guide you found is very, very out of date. Yes, not only is it confusing, but it doesn't work. This should definitely be reported as a bug since it isn't done that way anymore. Now, all you have to do is boot the live DVD (they don't even have CD media for the desktop anymore), wait for the drum sound, give it a few extra minutes just in case and press Super-Alt-S to start Orca. You don't have to press F5 and go through the boot menu. That is the problem with a lot of accessibility guides. They are not maintained and can't be relied upon. > > On 9/12/2015 9:39 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: >> Well, since I was only looking at it casually I didn't take time to report it and i don't intend to do so but thanks for the advice. I guess I thought all the instructions for arrowing down for this and that and holding shift down and hoping you know when to do the menu choices was confusing but I wouldn't report something like that unless I had actually tried it and was still confused. Then of course I would report it. >> >>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:54 AM, Tony Baechler <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that is the Ubuntu accessibility guide. I didn't find it confusing. What did you find confusing about it? If you don't report problems, they don't get fixed. >>> >>> Yes, Ubuntu and Debian should be able to find your wireless card. Ubuntu includes non-free firmware, so I would try that first. How old are the computers? I ask because if they're really old, they might no longer be supported or might not be able to run the live DVD. >>> >>> On 9/11/2015 5:54 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: >>>> Well, I went looking for this, partly because it seems you've gotten no >>>> answer and partly because I have a frustrating situation with two old >>>> computers with different wifi cards that can respond to a scan but don't >>>> connect. I was thinking about trying the live cd in them to see whether that >>>> would do wifi for either of these machines but frankly this link below looks >>>> rather confusing so I don't know whether or not I'll try it. I imagine you >>>> have already read this so it's probably not helpful but it's all I've found >>>> so far. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/doc/StartGuide >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheryl >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > -------------------- > Tony Baechler, Baechler Access Technology Services > Putting accessibility at the forefront of technology > mailto:bats@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Phone: 1-619-746-8310 Fax: 1-619-449-9898 > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list