To be completely honest I am not familiar with voxen at this point I am just trying to get to know Linux however possible. Currently no I am not getting an Orca window when I ALT tab around. In fact nothing is coming up when I ALT tab around. I am unsure if my Desktop even has anything on it because nothing I do brings anything up. If I press alt F1 I get a list of things like Applications and settings but under universal access there is Orca with no settings for it. A while back I was able to open orca settings but I forgot how I did it. I did install Gnome from the terminal a while back and when I launch ubuntu I select gnome classic with no effects. Does this matter for what I am trying to do? I did read to switch to laptop view but I am still trying to find where to do this. I cannot find orca settings anywhere. I will tell you what. If you tell me how to download and install it I will use whatever screen readers you recommend. I am not attached to orca in fact at this p! oint I hate it because I cannot use it at all. If there is a better one you know of please let me know. I just need to be able to write some code, use the terminal, and possibly file management. I appreciate your help. On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Would you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? If you're using > voxin, I'd just point you at the Oralux scripts for installing > Emacspeak. If you'll be using eSpeak, I can send you the steps I > recently went through to get Emacspeak working with eSpeak. > > I can't help you with the Mac keyboard key issues. > > With Orca, sounds like you need to switch to the laptop keyboard layout. > In that case, the caps-lock key becomes your Orca key. If you haven't > changed it, Orca should come up with the main screen where you can click > on the settings and change the keyboard layout. If you alt+tab around, > do you see an Orca screen? I usually just use caps-lock+space to bring > up the Orca settings, but this is using the laptop keyboard layout. If > you're using the desktop layout, you'd use insert+space, but if you > don't have an insert key at all then I'm not sure what to tell you. > > On 29/01/13 16:45, Bryan Duarte wrote: >> Thank you Christopher, >> >> Yes I would greatly appreciate your instructions. Any help to get me off and running would be greatly appreciated. I am really struggling to learn Linux for the reason I am running it on my Mac book. There is no insert key so I am unable to do the functions which require the use of the orca modifier key. I read there is a way to re map it but I cannot get to the place I do that. Ok I wont lie I cannot find anything on Linux yet. I have figured out how to get the settings open I believe by pressing ALT+F2 I think but that is it. Where would I find Orca settings? Is there a way to open them? I thank you for your help in advanced. I will eagerly wait for your instructions. >> On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Emacspeak isn't installed on Ubuntu by default, so unless you installed >>> it yourself, it won't be there. It will run on Ubuntu 12.04 though. >>> >>> You could use Emacspeak instead of Orca, if you're proficient with the >>> command line, but I myself don't see them as competing technologies, but >>> rather complimentary technologies. I have Orca running on my desktop, >>> which gives me access to many of the GUI applications running on my >>> desktop. I run Emacspeak in a console for most of my file management, >>> editing and shell/command line needs. >>> >>> Will you be using Emacspeak with Voxin or eSpeak? I could send you some >>> instructions, but I'll need some time first. Also, are you using a >>> 32-bit or 64-bit version of Ubuntu? >>> >>> On 28/01/13 17:06, Bryan Duarte wrote: >>>> THank you everyone for providing me with some feedback. I understand what EmacSpeak is but does it work on ubuntu 1204? I am pretty sure I saw EmacSpeak in the system prefs of my ubuntu. I could be wrong though. So to sum it up can I use eMacSpeak instead of Orca? Also how do I bring up the settings of the OS to find out if EmacSpeak is installed already? >>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Think of it as a self voicing application, so it'll work whether you run >>>>> it in the console or on the desktop. >>>>> >>>>> On 28/01/13 05:19, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>>>>> Run it and you go into the emacspeak environment and remain in the >>>>>> emacspeak environment until you shut emacspeak down. I think a version >>>>>> of emacspeak has been built that will run on mac's and use the mac's >>>>>> resources to speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> how do you use emacspeak in graphical environment? >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:06 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Orca or EmacSpeak >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> emacspeak provides its own environment not a text console. You can run a >>>>>>>> text console from emacspeak when necessary and doing so puts all of the >>>>>>>> power tools in your hands Linux has to offer so it's an advantage to learn >>>>>>>> especially if you're going for a real Linux sysadmin job or doing any >>>>>>>> other real Linux work since most of the young sighted competitors you have >>>>>>>> will focus primarily on the graphical user interface. This trend with the >>>>>>>> younger Linux workers gets older managers frustrated when younger workers >>>>>>>> either can't do something at all or take too long to do it because they're >>>>>>>> using the mouse and the graphical user interface when some of the older >>>>>>>> managers can do tasks with the text console and keyboard in half the time >>>>>>>> or less.On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, mattias wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i think emacspeak are only for text console >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Duarte" <bryan0731@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>> To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:16 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Orca or EmacSpeak >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am new to Linux and am having some trouble getting to learn the OS due >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the Orca screen reader. I will start off by letting you know I am on a >>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>> book running Mountain Lion. I am running ubuntu 1204 in VMware fusion. >>>>>>>>>> To >>>>>>>>>> this point I am only able to preform commands which do not require the >>>>>>>>>> Orca >>>>>>>>>> modifier key. I read that the Orca modifier key is the "insert" key, but >>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>> does not have an "insert" key. I have read several different posts of >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> describing a few key commands which simulate the insert key but none >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> worked for me. I also was told I can set my Orca configuration to >>>>>>>>>> "laptop" >>>>>>>>>> and then the "caps lock" key will act as the modifier, and yet again I >>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> unable to do this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now to the question at hand. Does anyone have some experience with this >>>>>>>>>> issue who can help me get it working? If not can someone please let me >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> if EmacSpeak is a better option for linux? I have read lots of good >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> about emacSpeak but honestly have no idea how to switch from Orca to >>>>>>>>>> emacSpeak. I am not bias to either screen reader I am just looking to >>>>>>>>>> learn >>>>>>>>>> linux well enough to write some programs, use the terminal, and call it >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> familiar OS. I would greatly appreciate any help. >>>>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>>>>>>> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but >>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> one gets the prize? 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So run to win! >>>> Arizona State University Applied Computer Science Undergraduate >>>> Twitter: @blindambitions >>>> Skype: bambryan >>>> "Blind Ambitions" >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> Bryan Duarte >> 1 Corinthians 9:24 Don't you realize that in a race everyone runs, but only one gets the prize? 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