I had gnome with orca on this machine and suppose I could have stopped the frequent crashes in orca by removing gnome-screensaver and dependencies from the system I may try that later. What I decided to try though was to remove gnome and install kde and jovie and dependencies and kdeaccessibility to see what kind of speaking environment I might run into. So far, no login sound although the x server or kde equivalent is getting started and no result for first try at login. If I can get logged in, would I do alt-f2 and then type jovie to enable speech long enough to configure it? I'm interested to see if I can get jovie to come up automatically at least after login and then go from there. I installed kdestandard as the base package for kde and am running in debian sid. Any other packages needed to get a login sound out of kde? Jude <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side." ~ Bill Hicks _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list