Re: Linux GUI FAQ/tutorial?

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Actually no, neither vi nor vim were or are line editors. They're visual editors working on the wysiwig principle. The line editor at the base of both vi and vim though is ex and those that can use ex have the full power of the software at their disposal. That's not my opinion either. Anyone want to argue with that information had best contact the people over at Berkeley University who put the learn utility together and argue with them. Unfortunately that learn utility doesn't work in Linux. That for newbies really would be an informative resource and a safe one since all work is done inside of a sandbox. Only way I had contact with it was through my employer several years ago on a bSD unix system I was able to use. The thing about the learn utility is it does computer assisted instruction with the user in a sandbox and it's a command line application.On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Willem van der Walt wrote:


All Linux distributions these days seem to include the editor called nano.
I happen to have fallen in love with an editor called joe which works like
the old turbo pascal editor.
There are many many many text-editors for Linux and there are a lot of
integration with other tools.
For GUI stuff, you should look at the orca wiki pages where a lot of
tutorials are pointed to.
Just google for the address or if you really cannot find it, let me know.
Just remember that one can use both the linus console and the graphical
interface through gnome with orca on the same machine.
Jumping between an running orca/gnome session and a running
console/speakup session is done using one keystroke.
Vi or vim is a line editor and those that are used to that is
mega-productive, but I were never one of those.

Regards, Willem



On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Jude DaShiell wrote:

You could do lots with emacs or xemacs for the G.U.I. environment.  It
supports many development environments out of the box and more can be added.On
Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Octavian R?snita wrote:

To be sincere, I don't remember now, but I remember that I posted on
blindprogramming my experience with that editor when I tried it.

I don't remember if it was the case of this editor or with the other editor
made by Jamal, but I didn't like that it contained too many hotkeys
pre-defined that conflicted with other hotkeys I have defined on my
computer, without beeing able to change those hotkeys in that editor.
And that time it also missed some features, but as I said, I don't remember
because it past a long time since.

What I actually like is a text editor made in C/C++, very fast (so no DotNet
or Java) with many features and options and hotkeys that can be changed.


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Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Linux GUI FAQ/tutorial?


 What was your experience with edsharp under windows?  That editor was
 written by a blind programmer for blind users of windows and has specific
 support for lots of programming development.  Unfortunately, our Federal
 Government never saw fit to have it installed on software developer's
 computers inside of D.O.D. yet.On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Roopakshi Pathania
 wrote:

 From: Octavian R?snita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>:
 However as I said, my biggest fear remains the text editor.
 Under Windows there is no text editor without issues. The
 best is TextPad, but it doesn't fully support UTF-8 which is
 very bad.
 I have tried tens of editors under Windows and all of them
 have issues, but under Linux I think I don't have so many
 editors to choose unfortunately.

 Actually, you do have a choice...

 This page lists 243 text editors for Linux.
 http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Editors/

 Since you are looking for something similar to a Windows based GUI
 editor, I recommend checking out the Gnome category.
 http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Editors/GNOME/

 Of course, you could also go through the non Emacs and non vi
 categories.
 Also, be careful of the inaccessible environments like KDE (I hope I'm
 right in this regard).
 Regards


 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist
 in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.
 Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure."
~  Helen Keller


 --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Octavian R?snita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 From: Octavian R?snita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
 Subject: Re: Linux GUI FAQ/tutorial?
 To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
 Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:23 PM
 Hi Trev,

 From: <trev.saunders@xxxxxxxxx>
 Personally I prefer yasr to speakup, and like vim as
 an editor.  vi m works well with yasr, and is useable
 with speakup.

 Well, maybe my espectations are wrong because they are
 based mostly on my Linux - cli experience in a SecureCRT
 console from Windows, but I was lost each time vi started as
 a default editor.

 To be more specific, I would like to be able to use an
 editor that lets me to use the arrow keys to read the text
 line by line and word by word and char by char with up and
 down arrows, control+left and right arrows, or simply the
 left and right arrows, allow me to select the text using the
 shift key, selected text that can be read by the screen
 reader when I want to, to be able to copy/paste the text
 from a program into another with a simple combination of
 key, execute the currently open program source code with a
 specified interpreter that also offers me the possibility of
 specifying some parameters, find/replace using regular
 expressions with a simple combination of keys, and very few
 other things.

 I ask if these are possible, because as I said, when vi was
 opened in an SSH console and I tried to use the arrow keys,
 I used to hear only some beep sounds, without beeing able to
 read anything, and instead of giving combinations of keys
 for exiting/saving like Control+S, Control+Q or something
 like that, I needed to type simple text commands like ":",
 which is very strange for a modern editor.

 I think by far the best option is mutt.

 I guess mutt is accessible under Linux. I have tried a
 Windows version that had big accessibility issues.
 Is mutt able to create/display html mail messages?
 Can it group the messages by conversation? Can we define
 more folders and rules for moving the messages automaticly
 in those folders based on some conditions?
 I guess the answer is yes, but I want to know what I should
 expect.

 agreed, bash makes a pretty excellent file manager.

 Well, for some tasks yes. I would be very happy if Windows
 command prompt would have the features of bash. But for some
 tasks a file manager like Windows Explorer is much better,
 but it is good if there is one for Linux also.

 However as I said, my biggest fear remains the text editor.
 Under Windows there is no text editor without issues. The
 best is TextPad, but it doesn't fully support UTF-8 which is
 very bad.
 I have tried tens of editors under Windows and all of them
 have issues, but under Linux I think I don't have so many
 editors to choose unfortunately.

 Octavian


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