Hi John, The address for the Elba group is: Elba-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Please note that the e in Elba is capitolized. The reason that speech doesn't stay of is that each application saves it's settings separately. This is so you can have grade 2 in one application and not in another one or speech on in one application and not in the others. You can set items in the control center and they should stick unless you override them in an application. You can enter all the setup menus by typing t for tools and then s for setup. Under this menu you have a number of submenus for setting speech, braille, networking and much more. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: blinux-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blinux-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:10 PM To: blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Experiences with Elba The Elba is indeed an interesting Linux Braille PDA. However, it takes some getting used to. So far, I haven't been able to set it to my preferences. In particular, I can't get it to stop talking. This is very irritating, since even with my cochlear implant turned off i can feel the vibrations. Also, if I switch it to Grade 2, it promptly goes back to computer braille when I change to a different application. I've tried turning off speech in the setup application numerous times, with no result. Maybe I have to be root to change the defaults, but there is no mention of this in the manual. I haven't been able to subscribe to the Elba mailing list. The address given here a few days ago doesn't seem to work. With all that, the Elba has a nice user interface. It is a good example of how the usability generally associated with a GUI can be built into a text-mode interface. John -- John J. boyer; Executive Director, Chief Software Developer Computers to Help People, Inc. www.chpi.org 6033 Monona Drive, suite 205; Madison, WI 53716 _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list