The Elba is indeed an interesting Linux Braille PDA. However, it takes some getting used to. So far, I haven't been able to set it to my preferences. In particular, I can't get it to stop talking. This is very irritating, since even with my cochlear implant turned off i can feel the vibrations. Also, if I switch it to Grade 2, it promptly goes back to computer braille when I change to a different application. I've tried turning off speech in the setup application numerous times, with no result. Maybe I have to be root to change the defaults, but there is no mention of this in the manual. I haven't been able to subscribe to the Elba mailing list. The address given here a few days ago doesn't seem to work. With all that, the Elba has a nice user interface. It is a good example of how the usability generally associated with a GUI can be built into a text-mode interface. John -- John J. boyer; Executive Director, Chief Software Developer Computers to Help People, Inc. www.chpi.org 6033 Monona Drive, suite 205; Madison, WI 53716 _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list