Well, Darrell, we may simply disagree on this one. The problem for me with what you say is that I see a big difference between access to the same information that all of society uses and what tools anyone might need to use to access that information. For me, it does not follow that having access to the same information means using the same tool. I see no logical connection there whatsoever. Consider the news. What you're saying is that all of must read the New York Times, by way of analogy. Yet the same news, though perhaps with a broadening perspective, may equally be gained with a host of other newspapers, or even the NFB News Line, to say nothing of broadcast media. Or, take the analogy of going somewhere. Perhaps you'll fly and perhaps I'll take a train. The result is the same. We both arrive at the same destination. Darrell Shandrow writes: > Hi Janina, > > The reasons for the need to gain access to the GUI tools involve using > applications. Many of the applications used by sighted people are GUI. In > order to be able to interact with the information provided with these > applications, we must be able to use them. For instance, I am hoping that > Gnopernicus + Java will provide a level of accessibility to my work-related > application. I can guarantee you that this SMS client wouldn't run in a > strictly console environment. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Questions about installing Gnopernicus. > > > > Well, I don't know anything about this editor you use, so I have no > > notion why you might find it preferable to emacs or vim. > > > > All I can tell you is that the console environment is very accessible. > > Whether the GUI environment becomes accessible with tools like this > > editor--that's a crap shoot, imho. Most of us over here on Linux don't > > understand why the people doing Gnopernicus and gnome accessibility > > think that enabling Gedit and the gnome terminal for screen reader > > access is any kind of big deal. But, maybe you'll think it is. > > > > John Heim writes: > > > At 02:46 PM 10/13/2004, Janina Sajka you wrote: > > > >Well, you can certainly earn a living running Linux as a blind user, > but > > > >not with Gnopernicus. At least, not yet. > > > > > > > > > Hmmm... Too bad. > > > > > > I mostly write programs for linux systems. I do some ASP. But I do > almost > > > all of my editing via a Windows program called Textpad. I suppose it's > > > probably because it's wht I'm used to. > > > > > > I started out as a unix guy and when they plopped a Windows 95 machine > down > > > on my desk I was like, "Where the heck is the command line? How the heck > am > > > I supposed to add myself as a user? What's the root password?" This > > > business of clicking buttons to do everything seemed ludicrous. Still > does > > > kind of. > > > > > > I used to use emacs all day, every day. But now I'd hate to have to give > up > > > my GUI editor. When nopernicus is ready for prime time, I'll look for an > > > editor similar to Textpad before switching. > > > > > > Sure would like to get rid of Windows/JAWS though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Chair > > Accessibility Workgroup > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > janina@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: +1 202.494.7040 _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list