I don't know if they'll work for you as a blind person. They work for me as a blink but then maybe I feed them better than you. Who knows. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list