I've done nothing other than a standard install everything. I don't play around with tcl because I don't understand it well enough tobe able to go fiddling around. I actually ran emacspeak with the viavoice tts on debian with the same version of tcl. 8.3 and I had no problems. I'm at a loss to explain this one. much less the error I got. -- Shaun Oliver "We're upgrading /dev/null" EMAIIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com YAHOO: blindman01_2000