I confess I hadn't been following this issue since I wasn't interested in the site or interested in discussions of whether linux could be considered mainstream or not. I hadn't realized just how general the discussion has become. Is the general point now the cracking of javascript? If so then I'm investigating a solution (I raised this point a couple of months ago I think). The idea is to use an existing javascript interpretter to convert the functions which actually *do* anything into html code. This followed a pointer from T.V. Raman on how he would go about this. The chosen vehicle (again at TVR's suggestion) is rhino, a javascript interpretter implemented in java. The idea will be to make this available in a proxy server so that people won't need to run java locally to run this. The going is slow since I'm having to learn java as I go. Parenthetically I'm surprised how much it resembles Objective-C I used a decade ago on a Next. I'm not able yet to say whether this solution will work even but the tools seem to have the capability for the task. I'd be delighted if someone else wants to help ... take over ... suggest a much easier alternative or whatever. But if not I'll push on with this and let people know when I've got something worth looking at. cheers Peter