agreed!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> Cc: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: USPS and web browsers. And, at the risk of repeating myself, 508 was wrong to diagress from W3C's consensus standards in this regard. Now, we pay the price for this error. I know that several organizations strongly adivsed the Access Board not to diverge and fragment accessibility standards--but they didn't listen. Perhaps they may next time around. On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, David Poehlman wrote: > see, this is the problem with usps specifically, they are aiming at 508 > which in its letter does not aim high enough. I agree with you. > accessibility actually means good design which means that it can be used > by all. If It can be made usable with lynx, it should be not because it > is usable with lynx but because there are all sorts of platforms that > would benefit by a lynx capable site. Remember, it is the technology > including web sites that are disabled, not us. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ddunfee@city-net.com> > To: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net> > Cc: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:14 AM > Subject: USPS and web browsers. > > > This argument reminds me of wheelchair users. There are now chairs > which > can climb stairs and are very expensive. Should access advocates now > say > that ramps etc. are no longer required because such chairs are > available? > Should a public service say to just upgrade your chair and we no longer > should be required to provide access? Are non-climbing chairs obselete > and > the prblem is just with the choice of the user, regardless of price and > many other variables? Web sites need to be held to the same level of > access > as do chair users for the access to services. > > Someone thus scribed: > > >Hi Cheryl, > > > >I'll check this one out shortly, but I do not believe good web site > >accessibility absolutely requires that the site work with Lynx. The > Lynx > >browser is quite obsolete in comparison to current technology... If > the > >site uses Java Script, and Lynx can't do Java Script, then that's not > >necessarily an accessibility issue if a Java Script capable browser > with a > >screen reader can successfully render an accessible result. > > > >We must be careful here; what constitutes accessibility? > > > >Thanks. > > > >At 07:18 PM 7/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>Hi everybody. > >>ray morgan, the 508 coordinator for the US postal Service, has been > >>corresponding with me re: the inaccessibility of the www.usps.com > site. I had > >>pointed out to him that when using lynx one gets a message about > enabling > >>javascript, and when using links-2.0 and above it is impossible to > check out > >>once you have placed something in your cart. He has been diligently > keeping me > >>posted regarding progress on the site. > >>Today he wrote and said that i should be able to purchase and check > out > >>now, but > >>he also indicated that javascript support is still needed. He also > indicated > >>that testers found the site works with jaws, though he said some more > work > >>needs > >>to be done. > >>I worte him back and thanked him for all his effort and diligence in > informing > >>me, but also reminded him that usability with jaws and accessibility > are not > >>necessarily the same thing. I pointed out that not everybody wants to > use Jaws > >>and that not everybody who even wants to do so can afford it. I told > him I > >>would > >>let him know what happened when I tried to use the site again. > >>Unfortunately, when I went to the site and again tried to buy stamps, > nothing > >>had changed for me. with links-2.1pre2 I was unable to go through > checkout and > >>with lynx I of course got the same old messages about enabling > javascript. > >>I wrote to ray and told him that i would post on this list and see if > somebdy > >>with more technical knowledge than I possess would like to try to help > track > >>down the problem. If anybody is interested in trying to help with > this, > >>Ray Morgan's email address is > >>RMORGAN1@email.usps.gov > >> > >>I think he really genuinely is trying to work on this problem. > >>Thanks. > >> > >>Cheryl > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > >>Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > >> > >>--- > >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > > > >Best regards, > >Darrell Shandrow > >Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems > administration. > >CompTIA A+ Certified Service Technician! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list