see, this is the problem with usps specifically, they are aiming at 508 which in its letter does not aim high enough. I agree with you. accessibility actually means good design which means that it can be used by all. If It can be made usable with lynx, it should be not because it is usable with lynx but because there are all sorts of platforms that would benefit by a lynx capable site. Remember, it is the technology including web sites that are disabled, not us. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ddunfee@city-net.com> To: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net> Cc: <blinux-list@redhat.com> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: USPS and web browsers. This argument reminds me of wheelchair users. There are now chairs which can climb stairs and are very expensive. Should access advocates now say that ramps etc. are no longer required because such chairs are available? Should a public service say to just upgrade your chair and we no longer should be required to provide access? Are non-climbing chairs obselete and the prblem is just with the choice of the user, regardless of price and many other variables? Web sites need to be held to the same level of access as do chair users for the access to services. Someone thus scribed: >Hi Cheryl, > >I'll check this one out shortly, but I do not believe good web site >accessibility absolutely requires that the site work with Lynx. The Lynx >browser is quite obsolete in comparison to current technology... If the >site uses Java Script, and Lynx can't do Java Script, then that's not >necessarily an accessibility issue if a Java Script capable browser with a >screen reader can successfully render an accessible result. > >We must be careful here; what constitutes accessibility? > >Thanks. > >At 07:18 PM 7/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi everybody. >>ray morgan, the 508 coordinator for the US postal Service, has been >>corresponding with me re: the inaccessibility of the www.usps.com site. I had >>pointed out to him that when using lynx one gets a message about enabling >>javascript, and when using links-2.0 and above it is impossible to check out >>once you have placed something in your cart. He has been diligently keeping me >>posted regarding progress on the site. >>Today he wrote and said that i should be able to purchase and check out >>now, but >>he also indicated that javascript support is still needed. He also indicated >>that testers found the site works with jaws, though he said some more work >>needs >>to be done. >>I worte him back and thanked him for all his effort and diligence in informing >>me, but also reminded him that usability with jaws and accessibility are not >>necessarily the same thing. I pointed out that not everybody wants to use Jaws >>and that not everybody who even wants to do so can afford it. I told him I >>would >>let him know what happened when I tried to use the site again. >>Unfortunately, when I went to the site and again tried to buy stamps, nothing >>had changed for me. with links-2.1pre2 I was unable to go through checkout and >>with lynx I of course got the same old messages about enabling javascript. >>I wrote to ray and told him that i would post on this list and see if somebdy >>with more technical knowledge than I possess would like to try to help track >>down the problem. If anybody is interested in trying to help with this, >>Ray Morgan's email address is >>RMORGAN1@email.usps.gov >> >>I think he really genuinely is trying to work on this problem. >>Thanks. >> >>Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Blinux-list@redhat.com >>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > >Best regards, >Darrell Shandrow >Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems administration. >CompTIA A+ Certified Service Technician! > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list