Is there really any contest? Let's have a discussion and then let's take a vote. You can call lynx from pine when there is a url to be resolved in your e-mails. Asking if mutt and pine are equal is sort of like asking if speakup should replace emacspeak. Any why would you want to use emacs/w3 browser when you could use lynx or even links. Seriously I have dabbled into all these products, but, I favor lynx and pine. The url for the "LINKS" web browser (which shows frames very nicely) is listed below: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ -- Bill Gaughan wgaughan@snet.net