It's very quiet here on AGL mailing list.
Please let me start an open discussion and propose some ideas related to AGL
project (and maybe others as well).
Running an IRC with SSL/TLS authentication seems to be so complex that everybody
wants to rely on libera.chat, the same way they used to rely on freenode for any
(good) reason for years...
Honestly, I'm very concerned on how libera.chat can live: I hope they are funded
by all the companies/foundations/projects who use the bandwidth and servers to
read the channels they host! This includes most OSS projects, including LF ones,
Freedesktop etc. The same question could be posted for freenode: how do they
(used to) live? I didn't find any clear answer to that question. Please advise.
That said, I have two questions (maybe for Walt and other LF people):
Q1: is there a clear statement on what #automotive is? What governance? Who
moderates? etc. For me, it's not AGL-specific, but simply related to automotive
at large (i.e. projects like Genivi and others can interact without being
off-topic).
Q2: as a consequence: if I'm previously true, is there any official #agl channel
or equivalent dedicated to AGL? If not, I'd suggest to create one and advertise.
I also have some questions and remarks regarding AGL communication tools for the
future:
AFAIK, AGL has at least:
* an official participation to #automotive on libera.chat
* a JIRA instance (Atlassian)
* a Confluence instance (Atlassian)
* a Gerrit instance in the past and present then Gitlab.com in the future
* a Wiki (not fully maintained, except for a few pages on releases and meetings
minutes)
* a Zoom license for all meetings
* some Github repos, deprecated: https://github.com/automotive-grade-linux/
* some Github repos, used by a single expert group: https://github.com/agl-ic-eg
* a mailing list, run in the past on mailmain IIRC and then externalized on
groups.io now
* from time to time: a slack channel during AMMs or workshops (again: external,
hosted by Slack)
* some GSoC students reporting on exotic platforms I can't even remember, but I
know I wrote a previous mail on that topic :)
Wah!
What's next? A dedicated Sl*ck channel to talk to AGL developers? A facebo*k
page to interact and post releases? A telegr*m account needed to exchange code?
Or inst*gr*m for CES? And what about Link*d.in, twitt*r and tikt*k? And why not
Micros*ft T*ams and Yamm*r next?
STOP!
To be very pragmatic: I DON't/WON'T follow any of those "channels" to
participate to *any* open source project as a developer: opening every morning a
bunch of stupid applications based on Electron, each one consuming 1GB of RAM,
to get the opportunity to read an interesting message on all those "channels" is
really a non-sense. Having notifications by emails is not really better, that's
obvious.
This leads to Q3: can anything be done to rationalize communication and gather
developers on a single "channel", being accessible by anyone without registering
to tier applications and services?
IMO, as a major LF project, AGL should try to lead the way and show some good
practices.
Regarding LF IT strategy, I also have some concerns.
I'm wondering what LF technical goals are, regarding the development process: it
should be related to control how the source code is pushed, assembled, hosted
and how the development processes occurs. Using on-premises infrastructure would
be advised for this. As most of the tools I mentioned earlier rely on external
companies/services/infrastructures, I'm wondering how the LF mission can be
really fulfilled. It's even a shame to see that some good OSS alternatives exist
to replace the proprietary solutions chosen by LF (Zoom, JIRA, Slack, Groups.io
...and probably others as well).
I must confess that I'm pessimistic as most LF employees don't even eat their
own dogfood: having Apple laptops instead of Linux laptops is just another shame
IMO.
So question Q4 for LF IT: why not promoting Linux for desktops/laptops in the
real life across all LF projects and make developers experience better by
contributing to open source desktop projects like Gnome, Libreoffice and other
useful infrastructure tools? Why not using open tools hosted internally first
and switch to proprietary and/or external ones only when needed? Why using
Google Drive and Zoom when Nextcloud and Jitsi exist? Q4.bis for the fun: what
percentage of people working for Apple got a laptop running Windows when hired?
I may be wrong but if the current strategy is continued in 2022, LF IT will just
become a small bubble that will pop sooner or later: it will boil down to a
SSO/IDP server recording who logged in to external services, just to cooperate
on how to better profile users (always respecting the laws and privacy, of
course). At the end, that's not what I call "hosting a project" but it's more
and more "marketing a project".
These were my $0.0002 (yep, not much, as I don't expect any change). At the end,
I'm still the bad guy, you know :)
Keep all safe! Best regards,
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Stephane Desneux - CTO - IoT.bzh
stephane.desneux@xxxxxxx - www.iot.bzh
On 25/08/2021 20:50, Walt Miner wrote:
We moved from Freenode to irc.libera.chat. I just noticed our wiki page is out
of date so I will update the information there.
Walt Miner
AGL Community Manager
The Linux Foundation
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 2:10 PM j <johnkollman623@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:johnkollman623@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Do people still use IRC? I have been there all day by myself :( . It is
also possible I have done it wrong.
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