I want to clarify that I didn't mean "man" requires an internet connection. Arch does and uses the wiki. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:49 PM Nero Claudius Drusus <germanicus1982@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Let's face the facts. Man is superfluous for most people learning how to > install Arch, especially since it forces you to have an internet connection > in order to install. > > The wiki installation page so far hasn't included any extras other than > the kernel (at least that I've noticed thus far, please correct me if I'm > wrong). If it creates a broken system then that's a legitimate point of > contention, otherwise it's just adding a couple more packages to your > install script which falls exactly inline with Arch's minimal philosophy. > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:26 PM Eli Schwartz via arch-general < > arch-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On 10/10/19 9:00 PM, Nero Claudius Drusus via arch-general wrote: >> > I've been following this discussion and can't see what the actual >> problem >> > is. I've installed a new system since the change and the installation >> doc's >> > have been updated appropriately. It still works. If you want extra >> packages >> > then add them, this, in my opinion, is what Arch is designed to do. I'm >> not >> > seeing why extra packages need to be installed based upon personal >> > preference. >> There's a community interest in something that helps you install >> high-profile packages such as: >> >> man-db >> man-pages >> less >> diffutils >> texinfo >> vi (required by the POSIX User Portability option, commonly assumed to >> be "the text editor you have even when you don't have anything else") >> >> It is also easy, once you have something for that, to also have it >> prompt you to install: >> >> linux (most people's default kernel) >> linux-firmware >> >> These are some pretty reasonable basic assumptions to make, so it's not >> crazy to think maybe users should be able to have some group of these >> packages to make sure they don't forget anything. It's especially not >> obvious that suddenly you need to install the `man` program as well as >> the core set of linux manpages (containing the 1p section and most of >> the good stuff in sections 2 & 3). But also texinfo, if you want to be >> able to read most documentation from GNU projects which don't ship >> proper manpages. >> >> At what point does updated wiki documentation become a giant list of >> "here's the things 99.9999% of people need but you'll have to install >> separately after reading some caveat and if you don't, then you will not >> even be able to type in 'man' to figure out your mistakes while offline"? >> >> -- >> Eli Schwartz >> Bug Wrangler and Trusted User >> >>
