I've been following this discussion and can't see what the actual problem is. I've installed a new system since the change and the installation doc's have been updated appropriately. It still works. If you want extra packages then add them, this, in my opinion, is what Arch is designed to do. I'm not seeing why extra packages need to be installed based upon personal preference. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:48 PM Eli Schwartz via arch-general < arch-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 10/10/19 7:01 AM, pete via arch-general wrote: > > Never mind Ed Vi Assemblers yes all very fancyfull > > hows about you just include joe far easier wordstar commands no mess > just > > works the very first thing i ever do install joe best editor of the > lot . > > I have never heard of "joe". I have heard of many other text editors > though. Off the top of my head: > > vi > vim > neovim > vis > ed > emacs > acme > gedit > pluma > xed > geany > leafpad > kate > nano (gross) > vscode > atom > sublime text > notepad++ > Windows Notepad > > Maybe if I even know Windows and macOS and *plan9* text editors before I > know of this "joe", it needs to do better advertising. What are its > features? Why would I want to use it? What merit does it have that we > should recommend people use it? > > I have run pacman -Si joe, and it seems to be an editor. It's > self-described as "Joe's own editor". So let me revise my question: who > is joe, why do I care who he is, and what does his personal editor do > for me? For that matter, if it carefully described as his own editor, am > I allowed to use it? Alternatively, is it designed to be used by other > people than its original intendee? > > -- > Eli Schwartz > Bug Wrangler and Trusted User > >