On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras: >>>>> 1./ Be a small simple binary >>>> >>>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's >>>> /sbin/init, but not by much). >>> >>> But that binary alone is useless, and certainly not *simple*. >> >> /sbin/init from sysvinit alone is useless. What is your point? > > The rest are rather simple scripts (in the case of Arch Linux). > > And you are still ignoring the fact that systemd is anything but > *simple*. How convenient to ignore that argument. Here are my two cents about that: * I don't care about having a faster boot if the sequence is incorrect or buggy (or, worse, leaves me with an unbootable system) * I don't care about having a simpler boot if it doesn't work * I don't care about systemd or bash scripts as long as it is maintained and bug-fixed. The situation is: * I hate bash * I don't think bash scripts are simple at all * The current initscripts do not do what I expect them to do (being able to start services, notably when a dependency is not up). * I don't think we have enough manpower to maintain bash scripts like Debian folks do * I don't think we are looking for a replacement to /sbin/init, but we are definitely looking for a boot sequence that works I am personnally open to having something else than systemd but I do not see anyone showing an alternative. Rémy.
