On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to > >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so > >much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also > >portable and can be included in upstream packages. > > > >This "Oh my god systemd is hard and I'm being forced to use it!" FUD I keep > >seeing is getting pretty ridiculous... Even if arch does someday switch to > >systemd, I'm sure initscripts will be supported for quite some time, giving > >plenty of time to learn/transition (again really not that hard) in the > >event that that ever happened. > > > >Arch has always been a bleeding edge constantly changing distro, if you > >want everything to stay the same forever, use debian. No matter what > >happens with this whole sysvinit vs systemd kerfuffle, you will never be > >"forced" to use systemd in arch, just like you've never been forced to use > >sysvinit... > > I don't think you fully understand the issue. > > If udev was still a "stand alone package" and not part of systemd as > it is now.... > Then systemd would be an alternative init system and all the other > init systems would not be impacted and one could use any of the > system init methods he chooses. If you would want systemd becames > it works for you great...knock yourself out...but on the other hand > when this thing becomes fully matured then systemd will be the only > one that works well with udev and everyone else be damned. > > Lennart Poettering by his own submission stated that he wanted udev > as part of systemd and that he doesn't care about any other init > system that would use udev. As with Lennart it seems as it's my way > or the highway...which indeed is the problem. I agree. It's not systemd being 'hard' that scares most people who object to it - that is a misrepresantatio. In fact I'm pretty sure systemd is easier to use and configure than initscripts. BTW has anyone looked at upstart ? The current AUR package is out of date (and I'm looking at some deadlines so this is not the time for experiments), but it has excellent documentation <http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/>, much better than anything I've seem for systemd so far, and after spending some time reading the above reference I must say I like it. At least it doesn't have that ugly and infantile syntax and it looks like was designed by programmers instead of by a kid. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
