On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa <jelle@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.conf?
It takes less then a day to use systemd, but I am not forcing you to use
it.
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Jelle van der Waa
Yeah, I found systemd very easy to learn. The wiki page is great, and
after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to
deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so
much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also
portable and can be included in upstream packages.
This "Oh my god systemd is hard and I'm being forced to use it!" FUD I keep
seeing is getting pretty ridiculous... Even if arch does someday switch to
systemd, I'm sure initscripts will be supported for quite some time, giving
plenty of time to learn/transition (again really not that hard) in the
event that that ever happened.
Arch has always been a bleeding edge constantly changing distro, if you
want everything to stay the same forever, use debian. No matter what
happens with this whole sysvinit vs systemd kerfuffle, you will never be
"forced" to use systemd in arch, just like you've never been forced to use
sysvinit...
I don't think you fully understand the issue.
If udev was still a "stand alone package" and not part of systemd as it
is now....
Then systemd would be an alternative init system and all the other init
systems would not be impacted and one could use any of the system init
methods he chooses. If you would want systemd becames it works for you
great...knock yourself out...but on the other hand when this thing
becomes fully matured then systemd will be the only one that works well
with udev and everyone else be damned.
Lennart Poettering by his own submission stated that he wanted udev as
part of systemd and that he doesn't care about any other init system
that would use udev. As with Lennart it seems as it's my way or the
highway...which indeed is the problem.
