On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:45:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 22.07.2012 22:26, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > > care about whatever it has to offer. Recent updates of xdm have pulled > > it in. So far it hasn't done anything evil except being useless and > > consuming system resources (50 or so threads). Same about polkit, it's > > pulled in only as a depency of gconf which in turn is only there because > > the Emacs package wants it. > > But this does not have anything to do with the recent proposal / change > of the "rc.conf" and the split up coming along with this. So you > shouldn't mix things up here. True. As usual the discussion expanded... > Am 22.07.2012 22:26, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > How much more of this useless stuff is going > > to be added without any way to opt out in the future ? I can perfectly > > understand that those things could be useful on a typical bloated consumer > > desktop. > > You are always free to change the PKGBUILD. The really easy packaging > system Arch is providing is a real advantage over any other distribution > I've seen so far. Again true. But having to manually modify lots of packages somehow defeats the purpose of having an easy to use distro. > What do you expect the maintainer of these packages to do anyway? In > order to provide useful packages for the majority of people they have to > pull this things in, there is just no way around it. Yes there is. Take again the xdm example. Why do we have dynamic libs ? There is really nothing to stop the xdm developer to write his code such that it will use consolekit *if it is installed* and do without it otherwise. It doesn't have to be a dependency, that is just bad design. And anyway, if a login has to be declared as a consolekit session that could as well be done outside xdm. This sort of thing shoulnd't be hardcoded into binaries. The dumbest thing I've come across was in Fedora 8 or so where some well hidden *binary* file, called from god knows where - I never found out - was used to create 'Desktop', 'Music', etc. directories in the user's home on each login. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
