On Sunday 22 Jul 2012 6:28:58 PM Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jorge Almeida <jjalmeida@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I didn't mean the Arch devs, I meant Mr. Poettering & friends. > > Ah, I see. > > > I made clear > > that I think the Arch devs have a difficult task, trying to keep the Arch > > spirit while keeping in sync with upstream. This may prove impossible if > > "upstream" is taken over by a couple of devs with a huge superavit of > > self-esteem and a deficit of esteem for Unix. Again, having contempt for > > Unix is perfectly legitimate, but they should assume it and start their > > own OS. One can always hope that things will change for the better > > upstream. > > I'd like to point out that systemd upstream is very easy to work with, > and I have never had problems getting in changes (except for when I > was wrong of course). If you have technical concerns and phrase them > in a technical way they will be taken seriously. Admittedly there is > not much patience for non-technical objections. Just a satisfied long time user voting in :) I support keeping exiting init system as far as feasible. Its not broken, why change it and all.. having systemd and initscripts running side by side, is best of both the worlds.. BUT rc.conf is merely the front end to it, and matters only so much. If it is replaced by various config files, so be it. So long as they work as documented( and they do, thanks to the arch developers), front end does not matter. systemd is a big project and it will take time to be as reliable as current init scriptS(may be it already is.. haven't tried for an year or so). <anecdote> I was on systemd once, about an year back.. just to find out first-hand, what the hoopla is all about. It worked, no fuss but nothing great over current initscripts for a typical developer workstation/desktop. However one fine day, an abrupt power-cut later, my home partition was no longer mountable under systemd. Initscripts worked fine. So I switched back.. didn't miss a thing.. </anecdote> And to all the people considering BSD, have you considered that freebsd just got binary updates(dunno about signed packages there), a release back and they are going thr. a major C++ runtime overhaul that will take couple of release to shake down and an year down the line, they will struggle once wayland goes mainstream? arch is the best base OS out there. Its stable by philosophy, has rolling releases and has linux(for comparison with BSD and hardware supports). Nothing else come any closer. -- Regards Shridhar
