On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jorge Almeida <jjalmeida@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I didn't mean the Arch devs, I meant Mr. Poettering & friends. Ah, I see. > I made clear > that I think the Arch devs have a difficult task, trying to keep the Arch > spirit while keeping in sync with upstream. This may prove impossible if > "upstream" is taken over by a couple of devs with a huge superavit of > self-esteem and a deficit of esteem for Unix. Again, having contempt for Unix > is perfectly legitimate, but they should assume it and start their own OS. One > can always hope that things will change for the better upstream. I'd like to point out that systemd upstream is very easy to work with, and I have never had problems getting in changes (except for when I was wrong of course). If you have technical concerns and phrase them in a technical way they will be taken seriously. Admittedly there is not much patience for non-technical objections. -t