On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:41:44PM -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote: > On 07/20/12 at 03:27pm, Norbert Zeh wrote: > > I > > think the reason why you are having a much more serious issue is that it seems > > you haven't updated your system in a long time. So now you're running into > > dealing with two slightly tricky upgrades (filesystem + glibc) at the same time. > > I've had no problems with filesystem, /lib -> /usr/lib or, today, grub > -> grub2. I have at best a tenuous grasp of the issues involved in these > three changes, so I can only consider myself very lucky that I'm not in the > quandary others seem to be. > > I know, though, of enthusiastic archers who have resented the > problems that have resulted from some of these changes, and feel less > enthusiastic about archlinux now. I guess there is an inherent tension > between the rolling-distro concept and KISS: if you want an up-to-date > system you are bound to change things that work (which is hardly KISS). > > I was wondering if the following could be useful to minimize the impact > of these, more trepidant pacman -Syu's: archlinux could publish a > roadmap of user-intervention upgrades well in advance: we will do this > in Q1, that in Q2, and that other thing in Q3. This way users could, for > example, plan their upgrades so as not to have to deal with two such > problematic migrations at the same time. > > It would also be nice to know a bit more of the rationale behind the > moves. I'm sure that they are all for the best, and I trust arch > decision-makers (and one can find out more about the changes by reading > blogs and forum discussions), but still it'd be good to have a small FAQ posted to > arch-general before each of the biggish moves. > > Manolo All of those changes were discussed by the devs on arch-dev-public filesystem -> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-June/023014.html grub -> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-June/023147.html /lib -> usr/lib -> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-March/022625.html There are also discussions there about what will happen and when stuff breaks like the pacman bug when usr lib was in testing, most of that happens that
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